Do you feel like Ashes is missing races?

Our 9 races might be enough for most, but I heard of some people feeling like they don't click with any of them. Do you feel like there are not enough races? Are they too similar? What kind of races do you feel are missing?

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CROW3

Alice wrote: »

Undead, Goblin, Werewolf, Troll, Dryad, and Furry(Fox/Panda/Bull). Where are all these races?

In WoW.

JustVine

CROW3 wrote: »

Alice wrote: »

Undead, Goblin, Werewolf, Troll, Dryad, and Furry(Fox/Panda/Bull). Where are all these races?

In WoW.

I mean WoW is hardly the only game with quirky races. EQ2 has lions, rats, tigers, frogs, bug fairies, lizard people, there are more and a lot of them are dlc races, but I think I proved the point.

I'm not asking for races that animalistic mind you. I don't like dlc races and I think tulnar fill the niche for that sort of feeling fine if executed properly. But I can at least agree with Alice that the races aren't that fantastical compared to other games. That's kind of the point, as it's consistent with their aesthetic. I would argue there is an extremely wide range with races we got right now though.

Fantastical races I could see still fitting well in ashes world build: half elementals (already described), some sort of dagon like fish people/mind flayer types that are born from corruption rituals, mushroom fae (tree fae is already well served by pyrai in my opinion.)

All of these races have a plausible back story; two are created after arrival of the races (and have pre-existing architecture based off their ancestors), and mushroom fae people would presumably be found in the deeper dark in an underground map expansion. The dagon/mindflayer type probably would be the hardest to execute the architecture of without feeling out of place.

CROW3

Yep. It’s not to say that Ashes won’t ever have additional races based on time spent in Verra. But these are the races from Sanctum arriving in Verra. Not like IS doesn’t realize there are other bestial races in other games, it could just be that they are lore locked and will be released later.

I’m ok with that. Dunir are awesome.

Dygz

Lots of those "non-Human" races were not available at launch.

Ashes is based on Steven's Pathfinder campaign.

SirChancelot

Ok...
But Pathfinder has a ton of weird races to choose from...
And the ones chosen are all pretty vanilla choices.

Tyranthraxus

Alice wrote: »

YES, because 7/9 of them are just boring humans, compared to GW2 or WoW....

Please never, EVER encourage a dev team to be anything more like WoW.

Once you start down the dark path, forever shall it dominate your destiny....

Dygz

SirChancelot wrote: »

Ok...
But Pathfinder has a ton of weird races to choose from...
And the ones chosen are all pretty vanilla choices.

Um. Yeah.
We should expect vanilla games to have vanilla races.
The seven core races of Pathfinder are: Dwarves, Elves, Gnomes, Half-Orcs, Halflings, and Humans.

JustVine

Dygz

To whom are you speaking, JV?
Pathfinder may very well have little to nothing to do with your post.
I did not quote your posts.

JustVine

Nevermind. Your usual lack of clarity at speaking leads to yet another useless path. Ignore it.

Dygz

I referenced Alice's post. Which is why "non-Human" is in quotes.
And then I quoted and replied to SirChancelot.
Maybe you shouldn't assume I am disagreeing with you.
If the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it.

Dygz

JustVine wrote: »

Nevermind. Your usual lack of clarity at speaking leads to yet another useless path. Ignore it.

LMAO

SirChancelot

Dygz wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

Ok...
But Pathfinder has a ton of weird races to choose from...
And the ones chosen are all pretty vanilla choices.

Um. Yeah.
We should expect vanilla games to have vanilla races.
The seven core races of Pathfinder are: Dwarves, Elves, Gnomes, Half-Orcs, Halflings, and Humans.

Vanilla as in tame and boring...
I hope ashes isn't aiming to be tame and boring.

Dygz

Vanilla as in what's in the initial launch, before expansions.
Ashes starts with 2 variants of 4 typical core races - plus one stretch goal race.
Keep in mind that originally Steven was planning for Ashes to launch within 2 years - 3 years tops.
Ashes is not intending to be noteworthy for having a bunch of ground-breaking non-Human races.

SirChancelot

Dygz wrote: »

Vanilla as in what's in the initial launch, before expansions.
Ashes starts with 2 variants of 4 typical core races - plus one stretch goal race.
Keep in mind that originally Steven was planning for Ashes to launch within 2 years - 3 years tops.
Ashes is not intending to be noteworthy for having a bunch of ground-breaking non-Human races.

I was letting you know what I meant by vanilla
I was NOT using it like vanilla wow...

Dygz

and vanilla EQ, etc...
My point fits both usages.

Tyranthraxus

Dygz wrote: »

and vanilla EQ, etc...
My point fits both usages.

@SirChancelot Dygz is right; The term 'Vanilla' in MMO's refers to the OGC - the original game content. It doesn't equate to meaning 'boring' or 'plain'.

It feels like 9 races is plenty for the Vanilla content - especially given how diverse the races are, already.

JustVine

Sure Dygz. Whatever.

It's pointless to argue about the topic from the perspective of 'adding races pre-launch'. Almost no one is arguing for that (and if you wanna argue with the few people who are, maybe you should quote or highlight them. It'll make it easier to tell who you are arguing with at least.)

The conversation would benefit more from discussing the topic in terms of dlc. You know, where it's fine to wildly speculate and think of ways the games to could be expanded to improve their audience reach.

I'm not really in favor of dlc races either. But it's also fairly boring to just go 'no' and close the topic.

Or you could keep arguing about... whatever it is you are arguing about. You as usual have soured most of my interest.

Dygz

I didn't say anything about pre-launch,
I said pre-expansion... expect to have some core races at launch. Plus the Tulnar, which were added as a stretch goal.

I think you soured your own interest.
As far as I can tell, you misunderstood everything I wrote.
And that seems to be due to your bias, thinking that I always disagree with you.

JustVine

Ah, the boring option. Got it. I hope you enjoy yourself.

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