Tower of Creation

Tower of Creation

The new better Tower of Insolence from lineage 2 concept/idea.

I would like to share my few thoughts with you about mid/end game options in Ashes of Creation.

Some of you know how close to Steven’s heart was Lineage 2.

Now, prepare yourself for some old news. Beside a few aspects of the game (main Raid) nothing was instanced - don’t count Catacombs.

I will be talking mainly about the C3 version where I’ve spent most of my time.

Tower of Insolence was a very clever open world dungeon with access to one of the main bosses in the game. Baium.
Grind related information: Tower of Ashes would focus on user experience with mechanics. It should not be done for grind purpose.

I’m not going to talk about the topography of the Tower. You just need to know few this about ut:

Each floor will increase difficulty and every few floors you will be introduced to a new set of mobs. Fast travel between floors was restricted and depended on the version of the game (live/private).

I would like to see something similar in Ashes.
There is not that much you have to do with the initial concept - it was good enough.

Few rules : Open PVP and no Safe Zones, No fast travel/teleport, No Summoning

Update 20th June -
Around the World of Verra you could find only(only) quest related fast travel teleport to The Tower's floor. Quest related to the lore. It would introduce player to the Tower concept not revealing where it's located on the map.
More like goal/mystery orientated thing.

- The Tower of Creation would have no limit on access
- Each floor would represent lore of the game (environment/mobs
- Each floor would have its own restriction/penalty on players (movement/regen/some forms of silence etc.)
- Each floor should pose appropriate level of difficulty to the lore theme and game progression
- By the end of each staircase or teleportation door we would be presented with NPC telling us a lore story and possible
quests
- Each floor could spawn some unique boss related to it
- Size of each floor is an open discussion (related to the lore)
- Floors can either go upwards or downwards (sideways?)
- Last floor would grant you option to teleport down (ToC teleportation)
- Last floor would present you with the option to fight Boss/Raid boss or to the same as it was with Baium.

Tower mechanics:

- Mobs would drop some shards
- Shards can be traded with floor NPCS for tokens
- You would need all the tokens for the last floor NPC to change it to the crystal
- Crystal allows you to teleport to ground floor (no safe zone)
- If you die from any source you will spawn as normal;
- You can be resurrected
- Standard corruption system applies to the whole Tower
- Every odd or even floor you can use Tower NPC to repair your gear (cost shards)
- There is a certain probability of spawn for an NPC which can clear your corruption for shards (No safe zone)
- Materials,recipes drops related to the floor and lore
- Gathering related to the floor and lore
- Weather system associated with floor and it’s lore
- Traps and traps with temporary weather system
- Some archetypes can pass restriction and access other floors (stealth), but higher level of penalty applied
- And many more…

There are many things which can be done here. Underground tower like in Toriko Manga, Tunnel maze etc.

Thanks for your time.

PS.

Also, there would be an enormous projection of the Phoenix above the Tower once players reach the top floor and challenge the Boss!

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tautau

Given the size of Verra and the lack of fast travel, I agree that there is not a danger that it would dominate player activity.

Ramirez

I really love that tower idea

Electronn

Never played L2.

Love the idea. Sounds awesome.

Upvote.

Sengarden

I do enjoy a bit of procedurally generated tier-based solo/duo "dungeon" esque PvE gameplay. However, lore-wise, I always hated the "tower" scheme. It almost never makes any sense, because the number of levels there are to churn through would logically produce a "tower" much taller than anything you'd realistically end up with the in game world. Large suspension of disbelief required. I'm more in favor of a dungeon that goes deeper and deeper underground.

This way you can play with the environment much more easily and get some nice visual variation between major difficulty shifts. Wet, damp cave systems with moss and underground ponds/rivers. Inhabited cave systems that have been carved out and accessorized, or even fully furnished/fleshed out as living spaces. Deeper, you might get to some crazy gem studded cave walls full of crystals and stuff, or some systems full of lava flows and such. I just feel that an "endlessly" deep series of cave systems is more lore-friendly and offers a more realistic variety of visual dressing than an "endlessly" tall tower.

Deliasz

Sengarden wrote: »

I do enjoy a bit of procedurally generated tier-based solo/duo "dungeon" esque PvE gameplay. However, lore-wise, I always hated the "tower" scheme. It almost never makes any sense, because the number of levels there are to churn through would logically produce a "tower" much taller than anything you'd realistically end up with the in game world. Large suspension of disbelief required. I'm more in favor of a dungeon that goes deeper and deeper underground.

This way you can play with the environment much more easily and get some nice visual variation between major difficulty shifts. Wet, damp cave systems with moss and underground ponds/rivers. Inhabited cave systems that have been carved out and accessorized, or even fully furnished/fleshed out as living spaces. Deeper, you might get to some crazy gem studded cave walls full of crystals and stuff, or some systems full of lava flows and such. I just feel that an "endlessly" deep series of cave systems is more lore-friendly and offers a more realistic variety of visual dressing than an "endlessly" tall tower.

I see your point of view.
I would just add two or three things :

outer appearance doesn't need to reflect inside (how many floors and their size)
when you see house from outside you don't know how inside looks like
open world dungeon can't be PG (procedural generated)

Also, I will update main Thread with a new idea.

Vaknar

This is a really neat idea! I personally didn't play Lineage 2. I also haven't played many truly OWPvP MMORPGs. With that said, I haven't experienced anything quite like this. It sounds like a ton of fun to play through.

It also reminds me a bit of the plot of Sword Art Online for those fellow weebs who might be familiar with it, lol.

I'd love to hear more interesting ideas added to this one! Show me what you've got 😉

Deliasz

Hello Vaknar,

It's fun either to play this kind of open-world dungeon.
In relation to SaO. I do personally think that they stole the idea for L2

SaO tower is a neat idea but again it's more like never ending grind fest. It's more like Diablo rifts.

Each time someone post something against my concept I find other ideas to counter it or just to add.

Let's wait for more.

Sengarden

Deliasz wrote: »

I see your point of view.
I would just add two or three things :
outer appearance doesn't need to reflect inside (how many floors and their size)

when you see house from outside you don't know how inside looks like

open world dungeon can't be PG (procedural generated)

This is true! Obviously it's an MMO and some suspension of disbelief is required. But I think it does feel very satisfying in-game when what you see from the outside feels just as real on the inside, and vice versa. I've heard some people mention before that it would be fun to do a little delving into the other realms via a future expansion. Perhaps this strange space-warping concept could be applied more easily in another realm? Some fortress of an essence-corrupted anti-hero demi-god that has seemingly endless levels to clamber up and fight through before you reach the peak. (Oh god wait no this is becoming Torghast from Shadowlands... Uhhh.... No, it's okay, it could never be that bad. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine...)

In all seriousness though, if we were to see a piece of content like that, it would likely be saved for a future expansion, and a theme like that could be a good opportunity for it, since there would likely be a whole new host of beasts and creatures in these other realms, so grinding through them wouldn't be as mindless as mowing down endless levels of the same predictable mobs we'd already be fighting in Vera.

However, I could also see this being a cool expansion for some sort of mountain-dwelling big bad. Maybe at the base of a sprawling cave system there lives the equivalent of a Balrog or something? Lots of opportunities to be had!

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