Guild/node should be tied to accounts

I feel being in a guild as well as a citizen in a node should be tied to an account akin to how black desert online does it. Since guilds will have limited slots it will make it more fair swapping between your alts as they will all be in the game guild if one joins it. Else you get the issue with people in a bunch of different guilds if they start having alt characters without being able to grow a unique community in the guild and it just turning into a bunch of alts in a single guild. Rather then making multiple guilds for alts it will be easier to manage in one so communities can more easily grow.

Also think if you can be in multiple guilds that cause some issues with people trying to use that to their advantage on being apart of a larger guild but then create smaller guilds for the buffs they can get to boost their character so they have more of an advantage in fights. So have their alt run a smaller guild and their main in the small guild for the boost. As well as the node system when it comes to voting for people and just being able to have a bunch of alts vote you in to being mayor of a node.

If you are going to be in a guild and node you shouldn't be able to make a character and be apart of every guild and every node on the map to use it to your advantage. If you are committing to node and guilds it should be account wise.

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Mag7spy

bloodprophet wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

bloodprophet wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Also not a i hate alts thread, literarily a red herring as you didn't read my post. With the designs in the game a lot of things can be exploited, just like if you could be in multiple citizenships which you can't which is good. Being committed to a guild means you will help it grow, instead of having less commitment to any guild.

Are you sure?

If alts are different characters why do they not take up guild slots?
If they take up character slots they should not take up slots elsewhere as well?

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Alts

You can design things around a family, so it is your account in the guild over your character. Meaning swapping characters wouldn't take up slots in a guild.

What about multi-boxing. Should they also be tied to one guild? Same player after all.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Multi-boxing

if someone is buying more boxes no, because id think they would be for other people in the house hold. If by chance someone was multi boxing i guess they can do what they want within the rules of multi boxing. They are paying for two subs after all, and they are two different accounts. But its not something the normal player will do.

bloodprophet

What is the difference from the players perspective of having multiple accounts with 1 character and one account with multiple characters?

Ludullu

bloodprophet wrote: »

What is the difference from the players perspective of having multiple accounts with 1 character and one account with multiple characters?

Money?

Mag7spy

bloodprophet wrote: »

What is the difference from the players perspective of having multiple accounts with 1 character and one account with multiple characters?

Multibox is its own discussion not really trying to get into that here. Purpose of multibox is not always a positive one if someone is trying to have 5 multi boxed accounts...

bloodprophet

I thought this was a thread about alts.
My mistake for thinking alts from multiboxing were alts.

Mag7spy

bloodprophet wrote: »

I thought this was a thread about alts.
My mistake for thinking alts from multiboxing were alts.

Multibox is a different issue and you know that.... you use it to get around systems for an advantage (if its not for another house hold member).

Go ahead and start a multibox thread and bring it up there and say there should be more limits or rules on multibox and see what people say lmao.

BaSkA_9x2

Mag7spy wrote: »

If you are going to be in a guild and node you shouldn't be able to make a character and be apart of every guild and every node on the map to use it to your advantage.

Agree with the node citizenship argument and hard disagree with the guild argument.

I want all the characters I create on the same account on the same server to be able to join whichever guilds I want and reap any benefits this might give me.

In my opinion, trying to argument that this will somehow hurt other players to the point that the game shouldn't allow it is doing some mental gymnastics, but most likely it's people who don't want their guilds to have spies and/or alt accounts but want the game to handle that for them.

Mag7spy

So all rewards no risk?

Dygz

Mag7spy wrote: »

Lets take one point at a time then with this laughing one which I think is kind of funny since you are wanting PvE servers.

That's hilarious because I don't want PvE servers. I'd like to see an experiment of one PvE server - even just to show the people who actually want a PvE server that it would suck.
If we had extra time in the release schedule for it - which we don't.

Mag7spy wrote: »

How does he not agree with me exactly, what points and proof do you have? I just was told citizenship is bound by node so clearly that is agreeable on. So what it is about guilds that is not agreeable that is 100% confirmed.

Alts are alts. And all the Alts are you as the same player, with the same mind. With the same goal.

I don't know what that means. Outside of the game I am the same player. Inside the game, my alts are different characters. Which is why it's perfectly OK for them to be different races, and have different classes and be members of different guilds and call different Nodes home.
We are restricted to one citizenship per account and one Freehold per account so that we can have as many players as possible enjoy open world housing. There's not enough real estate for each player to have multiple open world plots for houses and Freeholds.

bloodprophet

I usually play mage and a healer. I despise the idea they WILL be forced to be in one guild(they always are but not the point).
I am ok with "family" systems like SWTOR as long as they are NOT forced on the players.

Mag7spy

Doesn't matter if your alt is a different character, that character is still you. What matters is the designed value the guilds gives you and if that design can be exploited. As well as giving reason for people to suppose and grow their guild and without a guild being taxed by membership by having their alts in the guild. When you have limited slots makes it more difficult to have alts in the guild.

Design is more important then people thinking their alt is some new person imo. You can rp as a new person easily by typing if you really wanted to do that. RP shouldn't dictate systems that influence combat within the game.

bloodprophet

So am alt being guildless has an advantage in combat?

Sometimes I like to try out new class and race combos without people knowing it is me. Why should every alt made automatically be forced to join a guild?

Not understanding why player choice must be sacrificed.

Mag7spy

bloodprophet wrote: »

So am alt being guildless has an advantage in combat?

Sometimes I like to try out new class and race combos without people knowing it is me. Why should every alt made automatically be forced to join a guild?

Not understanding why player choice must be sacrificed.

You have a choice to be in a guild, and support the guild, the same choice to leave the guild. There is no choice being lost there. You can choose a guild to gain the perks in and meshes well with you. So you aren't losing out on choice.

*edit
But your choice will have a lot more meaning on the guild that is right for you to join. Which is beneficial on both ends for the player and the guild.

George_Black

bloodprophet wrote: »

I thought this was a thread about alts.
My mistake for thinking alts from multiboxing were alts.

Yes. It's a different account from a different pc. Why would you derail the thread? Ffs. If you cant understand the topic stay out of it.

CROW3

Not a fan. I want the freedom to play my alts differently, which includes different guilds. I don't see any advantage to an account being locked into a guild.

George_Black

CROW3 wrote: »

Not a fan. I want the freedom to play my alts differently, which includes different guilds. I don't see any advantage to an account being locked into a guild.

Who said anything about your individual advantage? How can you ever examine an idea when this is your starting point?

The advantage is the health of the guild system.

Ludullu

Health of the guild system comes from the guilds themselves. You think someone's an alt char in your guild? Talk to them about their investment into your guild. If they can't provide as much as you want from them - kick them.

Mag7spy

How does being in one guild stop you from playing your character how you want? It doesn't stop you from playing with other guilds, talking to them etc.

Only thing you lose out is perks that different guilds that and not being able to try to get the best of all worlds on alts if you were allowed to be in them.

The main point for this is so you aren't limited by alts in a single guild people aren't like "this guilds doesn't work for me since my alts won't get the bonus and they have since there is no room for them". So guilds can grow, since both you will have commitments to each other and you aren't just a person in a guild that doesn't do anything to help it grow but try to leech perks.

Mag7spy

NiKr wrote: »

Health of the guild system comes from the guilds themselves. You think someone's an alt char in your guild? Talk to them about their investment into your guild. If they can't provide as much as you want from them - kick them.

Not everyone will think like that with smaller more casual guilds. Yes top tier guilds will only try to get the best and committed members. This helps the smaller guilds by having people that will stay with them and give them a fair chance atleast. Then smaller guild being more so like dead leaves full of a bunch of random alt characters that don't care about their guild. But they just take whatever they get since they don't have much choice. It just create more of overall importance on the guild you are apart of since you can only be in one. This isn't stopping you from doing whatever you want its just making a more lively guild system.

bloodprophet

George_Black wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

Not a fan. I want the freedom to play my alts differently, which includes different guilds. I don't see any advantage to an account being locked into a guild.

Who said anything about your individual advantage? How can you ever examine an idea when this is your starting point?

The advantage is the health of the guild system.

Collectivism over individuality never wins.
Why should players be forced to join a guild?
Why should Intrepid abandon a stated game play choice by forcing people into a guild?

As for your other comment reading comprehension and understanding are not really that hard.
Read the multi-box thread on the wiki and watch the videos. It is not about multiple games on multiple computers. It is about multiple games running at the same time on the same computer.

Alts are alts weather they are on the same account or a different one.
Lots of people run multiple accounts from one machine.

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