Guild/node should be tied to accounts

I feel being in a guild as well as a citizen in a node should be tied to an account akin to how black desert online does it. Since guilds will have limited slots it will make it more fair swapping between your alts as they will all be in the game guild if one joins it. Else you get the issue with people in a bunch of different guilds if they start having alt characters without being able to grow a unique community in the guild and it just turning into a bunch of alts in a single guild. Rather then making multiple guilds for alts it will be easier to manage in one so communities can more easily grow.

Also think if you can be in multiple guilds that cause some issues with people trying to use that to their advantage on being apart of a larger guild but then create smaller guilds for the buffs they can get to boost their character so they have more of an advantage in fights. So have their alt run a smaller guild and their main in the small guild for the boost. As well as the node system when it comes to voting for people and just being able to have a bunch of alts vote you in to being mayor of a node.

If you are going to be in a guild and node you shouldn't be able to make a character and be apart of every guild and every node on the map to use it to your advantage. If you are committing to node and guilds it should be account wise.

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Dolyem

Dygz wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

What if your account counts as a single entity in a guild as opposed to counting the alts as additional members??

That would be dumb for an MMORPG.

Explain why that is?

Dygz

Because RPGs are about each character having the freedom to do what they want rather than just being one representation of the player.

Dolyem

Dygz wrote: »

Because RPGs are about each character having the freedom to do what they want rather than just being one representation of the player.

its about each player actually, although within reason. What you say may be true on an RP server though.

Dygz

No. RPGs are not about each player.
RPGs are about each player character.
Which is precisely why there are multiple character slots - especiallly multiple character slots per server.
And why a player can simultaneously have characters on the same that are very different in terms of gender, race, class, profession and... guild membership.

Dolyem

Dygz wrote: »

No. RPGs are not about each player.
RPGs are about each player character.

I mean that is debatable, seeing as the main focus is to engage and entertain the player, not the character they play.

Mag7spy

This is a mmorpg that focuses on PvX not a single player rpg.

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Balance should be around the overall experience and design, Players wanting RP elements should be taking a back seat to such designs. Im not talking about just guilds with this, but everything as a whole. Same way you can only have one citizenship on your account.

CROW3

3 pages and I still haven't seen a single reason why this would benefit the player over the current system. You're proposing to take a choice away from the player that's existed as precedent in mmos for almost 20 years - for what?

Dygz

Dolyem wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

No. RPGs are not about each player.
RPGs are about each player character.

I mean that is debatable, seeing as the main focus is to engage and entertain the player, not the character they play.

I mean... you can debate anything, but...
No...

Dygz

CROW3 wrote: »

3 pages and I still haven't seen a single reason why this would benefit the player over the current system. You're proposing to take a choice away from the player that's existed as precedent in mmos for almost 20 years - for what?

Because they want the focus of the game to be on the players, rather than on the player characters.
The only practical purpose of alts is to provide advantages to a player's main.
Ashes is an MMO - they don't care about the RPG part.

CROW3

Dygz wrote: »

Because they want the focus of the game to be on the players, rather than on the player characters.

Seems like it.

NishUK

Dolyem wrote: »

I actually agree with this. It can also prevent 3rd party subversion as far as making an alt to spy on enemy guilds. You'd have to open another account in this instance if you wish to pursue that option as opposed to easily hopping on an alt and joining a guild you wish to peep on.

This is what I appreciate.

Alt benefits however can get the hell out!

Noaani

Dygz wrote: »

No. RPGs are not about each player.
RPGs are about each player character.

Actually, it is about each player.

However, some players like to play each character as it's own thing, and that fine. However, that isn't the plurality of players. The plurality of players would fall in the camp of "I've never given this any thought, get out of my way, I want to play the game".

Noaani

Dygz wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

What if your account counts as a single entity in a guild as opposed to counting the alts as additional members??

That would be dumb for an MMORPG.

A number of MMORPG's already do exactly this.

CROW3

Noaani wrote: »

A number of MMORPG's already do exactly this.

Wait - are you stating a number of MMOs count guild membership at the account level (instead of the character level) or lock all characters in an account to a single guild?

Marcet

From a roleplaying perspective it kills my immersion to have an account bound guild.

I hate being lvl 0 and already in a guild chat, people talking to me like im my lvl60 char. I want to be completely anonymous, every char his own story, and I don't want to see account names on people either.

If we keep changing every abusable thing in the game we'll end up with no game at all, go play solitaire maybe you can't abuse systems there.

Ludullu

Dygz wrote: »

Casual - I think you do not understand the meaning of ths word.

Ok, not casual. Lazy. Or whatever the best-fitting word is for a person who wants all the benefits for none the work. Lately that's been "casual". Yes, not all casuals are the same, but from everything I've seen on forums/reddit - "casual" is usually used for people who want all the rewards with the smallest amount of investment into the work required for the reward.

And the suggestion of "all of my characters on one account benefit from being in the same guild w/o me spending x (the amount of characters on an account) times the time required to earn those benefits in that guild". That is the most fucking "I want it all and I want it now and w/o any commitment" bullshit I've heard in the last few years.

Mag7spy

Marcet wrote: »

From a roleplaying perspective it kills my immersion to have an account bound guild.

I hate being lvl 0 and already in a guild chat, people talking to me like im my lvl60 char. I want to be completely anonymous, every char his own story, and I don't want to see account names on people either.

If we keep changing every abusable thing in the game we'll end up with no game at all, go play solitaire maybe you can't abuse systems there.

Then there should be a function to be able to appear offline and you just close the guild chat. Regardless if you have a high level character you have already seen and understood the game. You can pretend you are level one in your mind but you still have the general experience of the game and are not a noob lol.

Changing everything about the game? I just believe in guild commitment, slots not taken up by alts guildies want in the guild, and not being able to have benefit of every different guilds perks.

Mag7spy

NiKr wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

Casual - I think you do not understand the meaning of ths word.

Ok, not casual. Lazy. Or whatever the best-fitting word is for a person who wants all the benefits for none the work. Lately that's been "casual". Yes, not all casuals are the same, but from everything I've seen on forums/reddit - "casual" is usually used for people who want all the rewards with the smallest amount of investment into the work required for the reward.

And the suggestion of "all of my characters on one account benefit from being in the same guild w/o me spending x (the amount of characters on an account) times the time required to earn those benefits in those guilds". That is the most fucking "I want it all and I want it now and w/o any commitment" bullshit I've heard in the last few years.

All alts and characters are you they are not separate. You put the work in to earn your place every day, week, etc.

Ludullu

Mag7spy wrote: »

[All alts and characters are you they are not separate. You put the work in to earn your place every day, week, etc.

No you do not when it's fucking 6+ characters for just one place in the guild. You are not putting 6+ times the investment into the guild, yet you're getting 6+ times the benefit. That is not how that works when your alts can be in other guilds, because you'd have to work 6+ times as hard if you had 6+ alts in 6+ different guilds. BECAUSE EACH GUILD CAN KICK YOU IF YOU DON'T DO ENOUGH FOR THEM.

Mag7spy

NiKr wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

[All alts and characters are you they are not separate. You put the work in to earn your place every day, week, etc.

No you do not when it's fucking 6+ characters for just one place in the guild. You are not putting 6+ times the investment into the guild, yet you're getting 6+ times the benefit. That is not how that works when your alts can be in other guilds, because you'd have to work 6+ times as hard if you had 6+ alts in 6+ different guilds. BECAUSE EACH GUILD CAN KICK YOU IF YOU DON'T DO ENOUGH FOR THEM.

We are going to just have to disagree with this one, your active involvement in the guild is enough for me. If you are jumping on a alt and doing some things for the guild it doesn't matter be it your alt or main both characters are you doing things for the guild which is your own action. Its simply rp to try to separate them as different being with different actions and not realistic.

If we fast forward to you having 2 and a average high level doing things for the guild, problem still remains to the point have taking up 3 important spots for the guild over 1. As well as the impact player per player will impact the guild, if you can boost it by throwing a bunch of alts (until you get actual players) also think that be a cheat as well. Though will need more information about the guild system and how things will work first.

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