Female Expression In AoC

As a Female MMO gamer I would like to suggest giving more effeminate options in armor styles. My concern is that I would like to have the option for dressing effeminately. The reason I am suggesting to make it optional is so people can dress as feminine or masculine or neutral as the player choses. This aids players self expression. Different armor styles as well as jewelry and makeup would be very helpful in this goal. I understand that you would like to keep things on the more practical side but this could be stifling to the communities creativity. Self expression and fashion is very important to me as a player I would like as many options as possible in creating my character.

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Hinotori

Otr wrote: »

I don't care what fashion they have but I care if they destroy my immersion.

Maybe. But It's also a high fantasy game. Not medieval Spain simulator 7.

JamesSunderland

At this point just straight up drop all the visual fantasy aspects of the game for the sake of realism....

PenguinPaladin

Elder wrote: »

Otr wrote: »

They could implement a setting to hide cosmetics and see only default armor...

I'm not sure about this idea. I think I'd prefer it be each players own choice as to how their character is portrayed to others.

For performance of the game i doubt this is a feasible idea. If im trying to run the game on a potato, i need to be able to turn your fancy clothes into various pixels. They are already making a "default" appearance for seige battles and the like to help the game run smoothly.

Elder

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

Elder wrote: »

Otr wrote: »

They could implement a setting to hide cosmetics and see only default armor...

I'm not sure about this idea. I think I'd prefer it be each players own choice as to how their character is portrayed to others.

For performance of the game i doubt this is a feasible idea. If im trying to run the game on a potato, i need to be able to turn your fancy clothes into various pixels. They are already making a "default" appearance for seige battles and the like to help the game run smoothly.

Yes, I know what the intentions for player models during sieges are.

It is at least feasible as it is a proven concept. There's a huge difference between optimizing the models for 500 - 1000 players during a siege and optimizing a few dozen or so models for the players that might be near you at any one time while traversing the world.

I'm not saying there shouldn't be automated client side systems to help mitigate performance issues in high density areas. I'm just saying that I'd prefer there not be a tick box that someone can click to indefinitely disable cosmetics.

Elder

Otr wrote: »

Elder wrote: »

Otr wrote: »

They could implement a setting to hide cosmetics and see only default armor...

I'm not sure about this idea. I think I'd prefer it be each players own choice as to how their character is portrayed to others.

So why people in this thread argue?
For the right to force their cosmetics into the eyes of other players?
I heard the there are "fashion wars" too.
For me, is more important to have immersion while playing the game than seeing the fashion tastes of various people.
I don't care what fashion they have but I care if they destroy my immersion.

I don't understand what points you're attempting to make with a majority of these statements, sorry.

I see, video games aren't necessarily designed to be entirely immersive. AoC is a business and a large amount of their potential income will come from cosmetics. It may not be in IS's best interest to allow people to indefinitely disable these cosmetics.

George_Black

Offtopic:
@Otr
Do you seriously believe that studios will harm their products (cosmetic skins)?
Do you think that if cosmetic buyers knew that their purchase (a vain purchase) will only be visible to themselves, that they wont get the attention they seek, (since the vast majority will have /cosmeticOff) would spend money in them?
Get real... it's 2022 and videogames cost to make.
I dont like peoples cosmetics, colour palette, mounts and pets but there is no logical way to make them go away.

There is no way studios will implement an option to hide other players cosmetics.

George_Black

Otr wrote: »

@George_Black Intreprid Studios seems to try to please everybody. Mixed combat with both ac and tab targeting, a little bit of corruption... at least a setting to choose to see only realistic armor skinns would be good.

Or do you say "the vast majority will have sexy/unrealistic cosmetics Off" too?

IS is not trying to please everybody. Perhaps you havent understood much about the game.
I also wont speak anymore to you since you still dont understand the importance of cosmetics for videogames, from dotas and lol, to assassins creed to shooters to mmos etc etc, regarding sales.

You went offtopic and now you wanna talk about sexy outfits? Go play the non existant game with realistic gear, I wasted enough time with you.

Aerlana

While reading, i realise that the "no" is mostly on "realism" side...
but define what realism is when you send a frostbolt as a tulnar with scale everywhere ?

You don't see how an armor with cleavage (the most standart "sexyness") could be coherent to protect ?
But, we are in world in high fantasy. So i have a simple answer, which is the most common on MMORPG, but also on some private RP servers or nwn1/NwN2 RP servers. "illusion" what you see is not what it is.

I changed "realism" to "coherent" because i thin it is really out of place to speak about realism in a game with nothing realist. . .
And coherence can be bind with sexyness.
I am totally a fond of bulky "male" armor for female. Fitting for a lady loving bodybuilding... But i would have nothing against sexy armor with cleavage... for feminine knightess. And also, if some of those armor more revealing are avaible for male, why not ?

Warhammer, this universe where men are rarelly "sexy", we get sigvald, with plate armor... but some specific part missing. it was never a problem.

Just, heavy armor have to stay heave, we can have no doubt seeing armor what kind it is.

And for sure, i am not advocating for "slutty" outfit, the bikini miqote on FFXIV... nope.

and what i says goes for mail, leather or cloth armors.

but for cloth i also love to have my female toons with classy dress, those dress are mostly totally uncomfortable for battle, even as mage (they have to run, and those dress are not "running-friendly". but again, not a real problem, because realism is not the real aim, imo, in a high fantasy world

and if there is the "immsersion" argument... just no. Immersion is always really subjectiv.
Immersion is for me a really important thing for a mmorpg, second after gameplay probably. . . third after the "high level life" at worst...
And because of how important immersion feels for me, i want people to be able to dress their toon with much more liberty that what we already saw and have

Hinotori

Aerlana wrote: »

how important immersion feels for me, i want people to be able to dress their toon with much more liberty that what we already saw and have

I'm the same. I want people to have as many options as possible so that everyone can feel as immersed as possible in the character they want to play.

I don't care how other players look, they don't immerse me in the world at all. I care about how I look. because my character is the one I'm playing. and the one I'm interacting through.

and if the only option for women is to look like a leather bound dwarven potato like this month or someone living under shariah like last month then I won't be happy and will just run around without gear or cosmetics.

speed run world first naked level 50 py'rai any% lets go!

Leiloni

Natasha wrote: »

Aerlana wrote: »

how important immersion feels for me, i want people to be able to dress their toon with much more liberty that what we already saw and have

I'm the same. I want people to have as many options as possible so that everyone can feel as immersed as possible in the character they want to play.

I don't care how other players look, they don't immerse me in the world at all. I care about how I look. because my character is the one I'm playing. and the one I'm interacting through.

and if the only option for women is to look like a leather bound dwarven potato like this month or someone living under shariah like last month then I won't be happy and will just run around without gear or cosmetics.

speed run world first naked level 50 py'rai any% lets go!

Here's the bottom line really - I'd prefer to have my character wearing armor, whether skins transmogged or the armor she's wearing. Ideally it looks good enough that I want to wear it. But costumes already exist, many of us have purchased them.

So at the end of the day if every piece of armor is hideous, I'm still going to run around looking like a Queen in a ballgown so how are those "realistic armor" arguments sounding right now folks? Would you rather see me in this? Cause that's the other option.

Dygz

Leiloni wrote: »

Here's the bottom line really - I'd prefer to have my character wearing armor, whether skins transmogged or the armor she's wearing. Ideally it looks good enough that I want to wear it. But costumes already exist, many of us have purchased them.

So at the end of the day if every piece of armor is hideous, I'm still going to run around looking like a Queen in a ballgown so how are those "realistic armor" arguments sounding right now folks? Would you rather see me in this?

Sounds like fun!
What class are you thinking with that outfit?

George_Black

Mate cosmetics are needed. Without them the costs for making videogames wont be covered anymore. It's a necessary evil and a /cosmeticOff function would hurt those sales.
I dont like them either but they are important for quality videogames. Otherwise we go back to Playstation2 quality of graphics and mechanics.

Caeryl

Leiloni wrote: »

Natasha wrote: »

Aerlana wrote: »

how important immersion feels for me, i want people to be able to dress their toon with much more liberty that what we already saw and have

I'm the same. I want people to have as many options as possible so that everyone can feel as immersed as possible in the character they want to play.

I don't care how other players look, they don't immerse me in the world at all. I care about how I look. because my character is the one I'm playing. and the one I'm interacting through.

and if the only option for women is to look like a leather bound dwarven potato like this month or someone living under shariah like last month then I won't be happy and will just run around without gear or cosmetics.

speed run world first naked level 50 py'rai any% lets go!

Here's the bottom line really - I'd prefer to have my character wearing armor, whether skins transmogged or the armor she's wearing. Ideally it looks good enough that I want to wear it. But costumes already exist, many of us have purchased them.

So at the end of the day if every piece of armor is hideous, I'm still going to run around looking like a Queen in a ballgown so how are those "realistic armor" arguments sounding right now folks? Would you rather see me in this? Cause that's the other option.

If you refuse to wear armor unless it shows skin to the collarbone and beyond, then yes I would much rather your only options be to use clothing cosmetics. Townwear can have the freedom to be “titillating” over “sensible”, but it’s absolutely bizarre that you’d refuse to wear protective armor because it’s not “sexy enough” when it doesn’t expose vital areas to damage.

George_Black

I would love to see your face after the game goes live and there is attractive armor designs all around.
I would love to see you rage for something so normal to exist.

George_Black

You keep talking about nonsense yet we have designs with hoods and other headpieces that have no place in a battlefield. Nobody would be able to fight wearing a hood or those wierd druit/nature crowns.
You keep talking about realistic situations but you have no answer to what I posted days ago about the unrealistic weapon and armor designs that can only exist in videogames and would be useless in reality.

Aerlana

Leiloni wrote: »

this dress is wonderfull and is exactly an example of outfit that is far more unrealistic for battle than many "sexy" armor but get less debate than those armor ^^'

Otr wrote: »

This makes me wonder how I would use that hypothetical option to disable other people's outfits. Because I would not want to miss role player events.

While disliking the "i don't want to see how people sees their own character" idea you suggested...
For Roleplay side, this idea is totally stupid...
The way people dress themselves is part of roleplay it reveals what they want to show to others (be it honest, or false to deceive people), and not seeing the "real" outfit of the other character will avoid all this part... ...

George_Black

Aerlana wrote: »

Leiloni wrote: »

this dress is wonderfull and is exactly an example of outfit that is far more unrealistic for battle than many "sexy" armor but get less debate than those armor ^^'

Otr wrote: »

This makes me wonder how I would use that hypothetical option to disable other people's outfits. Because I would not want to miss role player events.

While disliking the "i don't want to see how people sees their own character" idea you suggested...
For Roleplay side, this idea is totally stupid...
The way people dress themselves is part of roleplay it reveals what they want to show to others (be it honest, or false to deceive people), and not seeing the "real" outfit of the other character will avoid all this part... ...

100%.
These are immersion breaking, but a last resort as Leiloni said.

Chocometeor

Why is this desire stupid ? If some People feel more immersed with cosmetics and clothes like this. Maybe it fits to their Fantasy and it should be ok. i hope theres a set like this just because there should be any kind of set.
I mean there will be enough - Neutral - Protective sets. lets be real.

so why cry if we get some ''more revealing'' or more ''cosmetic but unrealistic looking'' Sets. I mean there should be something for everyones Fantasy and Immersion. right?

Aerlana

Otr wrote: »

Stupid is the desire of some players to run with high heels on rough terrain.

Free to you to judge taste of the others. But it will remains your opinion, shared with some people. other people will find your own taste for a fantasy world stupid also... where do we go if we just classify each other based on their taste ?

But this is the problem... we won't do some RolePlay like with your table of 1 GM + 4-5 players with lot of similar taste, same mind about what is roleplay, what is immersion, etc etc etc.

but on MMORPG... you will see many people with different taste. And you have to just admit that some people have other taste than yours. And nobody can say what taste is stupid and what taste is ok... really no one.
And lets be honest, i am happy of this because if i had to speak, no gnome/hobbit, no paladins and similar things in any game anymore. And speaking for the most commons things that i really dislike and am happy to not see them in a game. . . But because this is my taste i simply admit that some people love to play those things i hate. and i smile when they see people simple having fun with a character as close as possible of what they want it to be.

Not seeing how other people are dressed ? lets consider that a character wear an "technical" armor grey, with really low details, purely functionnal armor, with nothing spent to make it beautiful. You will interact with this character considering he has so a simple but functionnal armor. suddenly, you swich the "hide other cosmetic" off and see its true armor, it is a full plate, that shows no part of skin, but far more shiny, and lot of engraving, clearly, the character, in roleplay seems to want to shine amongst the other with such armor... Your own character mostly will interract with this character in different way if it sees his real skins or not.
For this i said it would be stupid for roleplay to have this "filter" on... because other character are not dressed how YOU want them to be dressed.
Oh, and you see a female with an armor coming from tera (honestly i hope it won't get to this point for plate and mail armor XD ) ? Your character can totally disdain this female, consider she is a slut, a whore, etc. this is part of roleplay in the end also no ? The immersion comes from coherence of interaction, and your character is totally free to consider this female character in "slutty" outfit to not be a good ally in fight due to how bad protected she looks.

Liniker

this thread is basically a bunch of grown-ass men with neckbeards crying about not being able to play with over-sexualized dolls in a video game....

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