CROW3 wrote: » Gah! double post - sorry.
Aerlana wrote: » *prepare the pyre
George_Black wrote: » Here it is again, condensed for you since I think that you cant read through more than 2 lines of fluff. Why are you back to the topic if you gave your 2 cents on a necroed thread? Admittedly you got nothing relevant to say, as I told you.
Elder wrote: » George_Black wrote: » Here it is again, condensed for you since I think that you cant read through more than 2 lines of fluff. Why are you back to the topic if you gave your 2 cents on a necroed thread? Admittedly you got nothing relevant to say, as I told you.
George_Black wrote: » Elder wrote: » George_Black wrote: » Here it is again, condensed for you since I think that you cant read through more than 2 lines of fluff. Why are you back to the topic if you gave your 2 cents on a necroed thread? Admittedly you got nothing relevant to say, as I told you. Memeing is embarrasimg. Please make some life adjustments.....
Elder wrote: » George_Black wrote: » Elder wrote: » George_Black wrote: » Here it is again, condensed for you since I think that you cant read through more than 2 lines of fluff. Why are you back to the topic if you gave your 2 cents on a necroed thread? Admittedly you got nothing relevant to say, as I told you. Memeing is embarrasimg. Please make some life adjustments..... Stop being an angry baby.
Otr wrote: » George_Black wrote: » CROW3 wrote: » George_Black wrote: » You said nothing. And dont steal my line that I use against noanni As tempting as it is, I don't really follow you and Noaani, but I think it's sweet you have a line for him. I already gave my 2 cents like 5 pages ago before the thread was necroed to complain about dwarves. However, what could I possibly say that would be relevant in this thread? There are plenty of women on this forum that provided their opinions on the topic, and I value their perspective infinitely higher than my own when it comes to the spectrum of how they want to visually express themselves. ... My position stands. People for hidden reasons are against girls wanting attractive designs. It is evident in the way that their "realism" arguments are full of holes in an mmorpg, or their pretentious blindness to the fact that the monthly npc designs are male copy paste. ... Was my reason also "full of holes"? While I know that the game is a fantasy game, for me that is not an excuse to allow anything. My taste when it comes to fantasy worlds is influenced by the traditional European medieval atmosphere, where people believed in spells, witches, mages. And regarding "attractive", I definitely do not want influences from asian mmos, with anime looking characters or from any hollywood or most modern movies where actors have to look beautiful. I also have nothing against running with heels in the forests if I can hide their cosmetics, like I hidden some animated signatures with add blocker on this forum.
George_Black wrote: » CROW3 wrote: » George_Black wrote: » You said nothing. And dont steal my line that I use against noanni As tempting as it is, I don't really follow you and Noaani, but I think it's sweet you have a line for him. I already gave my 2 cents like 5 pages ago before the thread was necroed to complain about dwarves. However, what could I possibly say that would be relevant in this thread? There are plenty of women on this forum that provided their opinions on the topic, and I value their perspective infinitely higher than my own when it comes to the spectrum of how they want to visually express themselves. ... My position stands. People for hidden reasons are against girls wanting attractive designs. It is evident in the way that their "realism" arguments are full of holes in an mmorpg, or their pretentious blindness to the fact that the monthly npc designs are male copy paste. ...
CROW3 wrote: » George_Black wrote: » You said nothing. And dont steal my line that I use against noanni As tempting as it is, I don't really follow you and Noaani, but I think it's sweet you have a line for him. I already gave my 2 cents like 5 pages ago before the thread was necroed to complain about dwarves. However, what could I possibly say that would be relevant in this thread? There are plenty of women on this forum that provided their opinions on the topic, and I value their perspective infinitely higher than my own when it comes to the spectrum of how they want to visually express themselves.
George_Black wrote: » You said nothing. And dont steal my line that I use against noanni
George_Black wrote: » girl knights with exposed boobs
Okeydoke wrote: » George_Black wrote: » girl knights with exposed boobs Giggity
Aerlana wrote: » Yeah yeah, overly sexualised lady So don't come "how do you run with those high heels lol" ...
Otr wrote: » : Solvryn wrote: » Breaks your immersion? Put a bag over your head. You are toxic.
Solvryn wrote: » Breaks your immersion? Put a bag over your head.
Leiloni wrote: » So just to get the arguments straight from some of you - I can be a deer-tree-elf thing, who slings spells at people, but can't wear flattering, stylish, form-fitting armor because "realism"? But also because "realism" I must instead have bulky, oversized plate that restricts movement and a helm that covers my eyes because that is somehow "practical"? Just want to make sure I understand this properly.
Aerlana wrote: » realism is just a word they use to hide behind while in reality it is just puritanism. Realism or immersion is a word some use as a magical word to defend an idea people know it is not easy to defend... And nothing surprising here : Realism is just a personnal taste. (I really don't care about realism... i wouldnt play fantasy games...) Immersion is really subjectiv thing. For a same subject, 2 people can have a way to get immerse in total opposite and contradictory way. As we saw about proximity voice chat, some saying more immersiv, other saying immersion breaking. Here we see the same, some like me (or you) needs to have their character as close as they imagine it for the most immersion possible, other needs OTHER character to be as close as they want them to be... And this is were is the real toxicity for me : when you decide for other people how they have to do. and want to restrict freedom... Not when people say "just don't watch me"
George_Black wrote: » Nerror wrote: » George_Black wrote: » Leiloni wrote: » Dygz wrote: » Leiloni wrote: » But this one is the same and that's also fine. The outfit looks good on both of them and more importantly, makes sense for the style of outfit that it is - What is it that makes the outfit look good on both of them?? It's pretty much the same outfit - but it shows some midriff... on both. Leiloni wrote: » This however doesn't make sense. The concept artist made no attempt to even show the female form. Her body looks exactly like the male in every way. No boobs, no hips. And why does one have a hood and one doesn't? I'd prefer the outfit for the female be more close fitting to actually show her body. Then some design elements make no sense for a female, such as the top coming down over the thighs and splitting in the middle. You see that in a lot of male armor but it feels too bulky and seems to have no purpose for the female. And the crisscross straps across the chest? That's uncomfortable with boobs and in real life, we avoid it when possible. Further, it doesn't seem to serve any purpose on this set for either of them. I mean... I'm pretty sure boob sliders and hip sliders in Character Creator will change the silhouette of the female armor. Some women are petite and some women don't want to accentuate their boobs and hips. I'm not sure what that has to do with the design of the armor. The armor is going to fit the character model the same for every character regardless of how you big or small you make your toon. This armor doesn't fit her is the problem. It's bulky and too big instead of more form-fitting. Dont bother Leiloni. Political agendas should be obvious by now in this thread. That, and some people are very prude. But dont worry too much about those npc designs. Seriously? You're the only one who is trying to make this thread political. Please just stick to arguing what your preferences are and drop the white knight culture warrior BS. Yeah I am being blunt here, but you seem like a person who appreciates being blunt. Last time I was given a villainous. How did you get white knight culture warrior from all this? Yes I am serious. I have heard all weird attacks on feminine looks from heels to armor is armor. Have you not read every single post in this thread, including the latest gem by dygz, who went through the most round-about way of showing some support for feminine design? Unlike the other threads that drag on forever, this one has true importance and I've read every response. Yes I am serious that people here dismiss views that want both male and female designs in a videogame, under the pretext of realism. Btw, go and look into the drawings in the classic D'Artagnan novels. The musketeers there wore boots with heels and in many movies and other pop culture media there are female queens and warriors wearing armors with boob plates, not just male equipment. If you are blind and want to keep mute as well on this issue, do so, it's ok, you dont even have to blush and say "yeah Im blunt, with your permission". Yes I will speak out and directly. And if I was a woman I would ask for intrepids intentions on ingame heavy robe and medium design on this months Q&A. And you may think that I care for politics, but you havent said a word about those who call others names for having a different view. Are you afraid of the many? They are an easier target from the one that stands strong. Dont take aim at me when you feel "blunt".
Nerror wrote: » George_Black wrote: » Leiloni wrote: » Dygz wrote: » Leiloni wrote: » But this one is the same and that's also fine. The outfit looks good on both of them and more importantly, makes sense for the style of outfit that it is - What is it that makes the outfit look good on both of them?? It's pretty much the same outfit - but it shows some midriff... on both. Leiloni wrote: » This however doesn't make sense. The concept artist made no attempt to even show the female form. Her body looks exactly like the male in every way. No boobs, no hips. And why does one have a hood and one doesn't? I'd prefer the outfit for the female be more close fitting to actually show her body. Then some design elements make no sense for a female, such as the top coming down over the thighs and splitting in the middle. You see that in a lot of male armor but it feels too bulky and seems to have no purpose for the female. And the crisscross straps across the chest? That's uncomfortable with boobs and in real life, we avoid it when possible. Further, it doesn't seem to serve any purpose on this set for either of them. I mean... I'm pretty sure boob sliders and hip sliders in Character Creator will change the silhouette of the female armor. Some women are petite and some women don't want to accentuate their boobs and hips. I'm not sure what that has to do with the design of the armor. The armor is going to fit the character model the same for every character regardless of how you big or small you make your toon. This armor doesn't fit her is the problem. It's bulky and too big instead of more form-fitting. Dont bother Leiloni. Political agendas should be obvious by now in this thread. That, and some people are very prude. But dont worry too much about those npc designs. Seriously? You're the only one who is trying to make this thread political. Please just stick to arguing what your preferences are and drop the white knight culture warrior BS. Yeah I am being blunt here, but you seem like a person who appreciates being blunt.
George_Black wrote: » Leiloni wrote: » Dygz wrote: » Leiloni wrote: » But this one is the same and that's also fine. The outfit looks good on both of them and more importantly, makes sense for the style of outfit that it is - What is it that makes the outfit look good on both of them?? It's pretty much the same outfit - but it shows some midriff... on both. Leiloni wrote: » This however doesn't make sense. The concept artist made no attempt to even show the female form. Her body looks exactly like the male in every way. No boobs, no hips. And why does one have a hood and one doesn't? I'd prefer the outfit for the female be more close fitting to actually show her body. Then some design elements make no sense for a female, such as the top coming down over the thighs and splitting in the middle. You see that in a lot of male armor but it feels too bulky and seems to have no purpose for the female. And the crisscross straps across the chest? That's uncomfortable with boobs and in real life, we avoid it when possible. Further, it doesn't seem to serve any purpose on this set for either of them. I mean... I'm pretty sure boob sliders and hip sliders in Character Creator will change the silhouette of the female armor. Some women are petite and some women don't want to accentuate their boobs and hips. I'm not sure what that has to do with the design of the armor. The armor is going to fit the character model the same for every character regardless of how you big or small you make your toon. This armor doesn't fit her is the problem. It's bulky and too big instead of more form-fitting. Dont bother Leiloni. Political agendas should be obvious by now in this thread. That, and some people are very prude. But dont worry too much about those npc designs.
Leiloni wrote: » Dygz wrote: » Leiloni wrote: » But this one is the same and that's also fine. The outfit looks good on both of them and more importantly, makes sense for the style of outfit that it is - What is it that makes the outfit look good on both of them?? It's pretty much the same outfit - but it shows some midriff... on both. Leiloni wrote: » This however doesn't make sense. The concept artist made no attempt to even show the female form. Her body looks exactly like the male in every way. No boobs, no hips. And why does one have a hood and one doesn't? I'd prefer the outfit for the female be more close fitting to actually show her body. Then some design elements make no sense for a female, such as the top coming down over the thighs and splitting in the middle. You see that in a lot of male armor but it feels too bulky and seems to have no purpose for the female. And the crisscross straps across the chest? That's uncomfortable with boobs and in real life, we avoid it when possible. Further, it doesn't seem to serve any purpose on this set for either of them. I mean... I'm pretty sure boob sliders and hip sliders in Character Creator will change the silhouette of the female armor. Some women are petite and some women don't want to accentuate their boobs and hips. I'm not sure what that has to do with the design of the armor. The armor is going to fit the character model the same for every character regardless of how you big or small you make your toon. This armor doesn't fit her is the problem. It's bulky and too big instead of more form-fitting.
Dygz wrote: » Leiloni wrote: » But this one is the same and that's also fine. The outfit looks good on both of them and more importantly, makes sense for the style of outfit that it is - What is it that makes the outfit look good on both of them?? It's pretty much the same outfit - but it shows some midriff... on both. Leiloni wrote: » This however doesn't make sense. The concept artist made no attempt to even show the female form. Her body looks exactly like the male in every way. No boobs, no hips. And why does one have a hood and one doesn't? I'd prefer the outfit for the female be more close fitting to actually show her body. Then some design elements make no sense for a female, such as the top coming down over the thighs and splitting in the middle. You see that in a lot of male armor but it feels too bulky and seems to have no purpose for the female. And the crisscross straps across the chest? That's uncomfortable with boobs and in real life, we avoid it when possible. Further, it doesn't seem to serve any purpose on this set for either of them. I mean... I'm pretty sure boob sliders and hip sliders in Character Creator will change the silhouette of the female armor. Some women are petite and some women don't want to accentuate their boobs and hips. I'm not sure what that has to do with the design of the armor.
Leiloni wrote: » But this one is the same and that's also fine. The outfit looks good on both of them and more importantly, makes sense for the style of outfit that it is -
Leiloni wrote: » This however doesn't make sense. The concept artist made no attempt to even show the female form. Her body looks exactly like the male in every way. No boobs, no hips. And why does one have a hood and one doesn't? I'd prefer the outfit for the female be more close fitting to actually show her body. Then some design elements make no sense for a female, such as the top coming down over the thighs and splitting in the middle. You see that in a lot of male armor but it feels too bulky and seems to have no purpose for the female. And the crisscross straps across the chest? That's uncomfortable with boobs and in real life, we avoid it when possible. Further, it doesn't seem to serve any purpose on this set for either of them.
