Is this MMO going to have any monetary features?

Is this MMO going to have monetary features other than purchasing the game and a subscription?
Examples: Paying to level up - Buying mounts and other cosmetic features, etc.

IMO if at all possible, if you can muster it (like the world most popular MMO for its first 3 expansions), I would not put any of these in game. If any monetary features are in the game even harmless skins I personally am going to be less inclined to purchase AOC.

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daveywavey

Ok, fair dos. I assumed that you were actually trying to answer the question, rather than just randomly typing sentences. Obviously gave you too much credit. Don't worry, won't happen again!

Elder

daveywavey wrote: »

Ok, fair dos. I assumed that you were actually trying to answer the question, rather than just randomly typing sentences. Obviously gave you too much credit. Don't worry, won't happen again!

I don't appreciate the underhanded attempt to insult me.

This thread was posted in general discussion not Support and FAQ, and the OP's question has already been answered. My statements had relevance to the topic being discussed.

Ransel

I don't see an issue with a game having a cosmetic only item shop.

It's definitely true that when MMOs start to fail they start selling p2w features, but at that point I'm not playing the game anyways and presumably others aren't playing either because it's a failing MMO.

AoC isn't a failing MMO so I'm not sure what the anger in this thread is about.

Getting angry about something that isn't even happening seems like a waste of time.

Warth

While i don't like Cosmetics in Cash Shops, i do understand the need for them:

It allows player who don't want/can't spend as much to access the game for a very reasonable price (10-15$ per Month) while providing an additional income stream through players who have more disposable income to throw at the game.
Its a very good trade-off to have both the possibility for wales to spend tons of money while also accessing a wider audience.

What makes cosmetic cash shops iffy for me is the thought, that every cosmetic found in the cash shop represents wasted potential content as they could have been in the game as rewards instead. As rewards for clearing raids, unlocking achievements, completing long quest chains, access a higher tier in faction or whatever.

However, as long as there are plenty of alternatives (ranging from mid to top tier quality) achievable in-game, i do not see the harm behind having some of them inside the cash shop.

Dygz

IF they put cosmetics in the game???
That ship sailed with Kickstarter.

Hinotori

LeoManechest wrote: »

Hey you've got my opinion, im not playing a game with cosmetics... If they put cosmetics in this game; watch it fail. People should just look like the items they're wearing. It's like high school all over again. Silly.

This poor fool hasn't played a single game since 2010.

F in the chat for our fallen brother.

Noaani

Elder wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

LeoManechest wrote: »

Hey you've got my opinion. I'm not playing a game with cosmetics. I fully against paid cosmetics and partially against in-game (free) cosmetics. It's silly, it's 2022. If they put cosmetics in this game; watch it fail. People should just look like the items they're wearing. It's like high school all over again. Silly.

Can you point to even one game that has failed due to having cosmetic only microtransactions?

The sad and unfortunate truth is that RuneScape would most definitely be dead by now if it wasn't so heavily monetized.

This is the point right here.

LeoManechest

So by "Fail" I mean this:
Failure to sell millions of copies of their MMO and have 100 000's of players playing it at any given moment.

It will fail if it's just some game with like 1000 players playing it after a year. If you were to log on. You would see everyone running around in completely different outfits. Some with higher resolutions and perhaps moving parts or glowing. Outfits which they paid for because they wanted to look cool and unique.

Running around in a game that might lack great core gameplay. Or is overly easy and leaves more to be wanted. Essentially just a dress up game ...

Even if the devs make their money back. I would consider the above a failure.

Asgerr

daveywavey wrote: »

Night Wings wrote: »

Monster coin events do not occur before sieges.[15]
Monster coin events do not occur during sieges.[14]

So, if players just keep pushing siege scrolls, we'll never get a Monster Coin event?

When it says "Before a siege" they mean this:
Once the siege scroll is brought to the node and is activated, the declaration period begins and a countdown is initiated for players in the region to see. This countdown runs for a number of days equal to the stage of the node being sieged.

Village (2 days)
Town (3 days)
City (4 days)
Metropolis (5 days)

Once the countdown is complete, the siege begins

So with this, and with the fact that A node siege may not be declared for 21 days following a node advancing to any stage
And the fact that if the node survives, there will be a cooldown before the node can be sieged again:

Village (20 days)
Town (30 days)
City (40 days)
Metropolis (50 days)

You'll have plenty of openings for monster coin events.

George_Black

Let this thread get burried.

CROW3

George_Black wrote: »

Let this thread get burried.

But…
I mean…
you realize…

… never mind. 😵‍💫

Noaani

LeoManechest wrote: »

So by "Fail" I mean this:
Failure to sell millions of copies of their MMO and have 100 000's of players playing it at any given moment.

It will fail if it's just some game with like 1000 players playing it after a year. If you were to log on. You would see everyone running around in completely different outfits. Some with higher resolutions and perhaps moving parts or glowing. Outfits which they paid for because they wanted to look cool and unique.

Running around in a game that might lack great core gameplay. Or is overly easy and leaves more to be wanted. Essentially just a dress up game ...

Even if the devs make their money back. I would consider the above a failure.

So, anything short of a massive success is a failure to you.

Ashes is a niche game. Intrepid know it is a niche game. Their expectations for its success are based on it being a niche game.

Their definition of success for this game seems to fall under your definition of failure.

After a year, this game is likely to have less than 100,000 concurrent players, but that does not mean it is a failure.

In fact, if we go by your definition of success (multiple hundreds of thousands of concurrent players in the game 12 months after launch), I would say there have only been three successful MMO's ever.

Cat Quiver

LeoManechest wrote: »

So by "Fail" I mean this:
Failure to sell millions of copies of their MMO and have 100 000's of players playing it at any given moment.

It will fail if it's just some game with like 1000 players playing it after a year. If you were to log on. You would see everyone running around in completely different outfits. Some with higher resolutions and perhaps moving parts or glowing. Outfits which they paid for because they wanted to look cool and unique.

Running around in a game that might lack great core gameplay. Or is overly easy and leaves more to be wanted. Essentially just a dress up game ...

Even if the devs make their money back. I would consider the above a failure.

Damn Steven, just pack it up, Leomanechest knows it all.

LeoManechest

Natasha wrote: »

LeoManechest wrote: »

Hey you've got my opinion, im not playing a game with cosmetics... If they put cosmetics in this game; watch it fail. People should just look like the items they're wearing. It's like high school all over again. Silly.

This poor fool hasn't played a single game since 2010.

F in the chat for our fallen brother.

No, I've been playing games that don't have cosmetics in them.

MaiWaifu

LeoManechest wrote: »

No, I've been playing games that don't have cosmetics in them.

Not trying to argue, I'm genuinely just curious.

What online game; that's still active, has no cosmetics?

It's probably worth trying out to compare how they do it.

Eyrate

I liked how vanilla WOW did loot. After spending hours in a dungeon, I was excited to have a chance to get something shiny. Also, with chances questing/killing out in the world to get something rare. I hate buying cosmetics. "Oh jeeze, guys, look what I bought with my RL money!" Boring. No place in a sub game for a cash store. I don't mind if there are a few things, cosmetic only, but I prefer to earn what I get by playing the game. New MMOs, ugg. Grind to get components to upgrade my gear. Boring! Spend RL money to buy a skin that looks like limited choices other players have! Boring!

Asgerr

Eyrate wrote: »

No place in a sub game for a cash store.

Well I think most sub games have a box cost. Meaning you buy the game for 60€/$ and then you pay a subscription on top of it. That's a lot of money which AoC won't generate as it has no box cost. Even expansions will be for free.

Now with that said, yes, I can see why some cosmetics may devalue some of the feelings of achievement for some.

However we all know that we'll be able to tell: "oh that's store bought". And that we'll be able to tell: "Damn, that's a breastplate from that one crazy difficult raid that opened up down south".

There is also a difference between transmog and costumes.
Costumes you can put on at any level. So if you see some incredible looking armor on a level 5 player, you know they bought it with RL money, and can proceed to deride them to your heart's content

There will be legendary cosmetics that are only achievable in-game that will never be offered in the shop.

Also, also, a lot of the impetus behind creating some of the cosmetics, is that they will be used for certain NPCs and mobs. So they're getting some extra payment for that work, ahead of launch.

Plus, as per the wiki:
Skins are only be able to be applied to things that have already been earned, crafted or found within Ashes of Creation.
Mount skins require a specific type of mount to have been achieved in-game.

So some skins will never be usable if the player hasn't already obtained those types of gear or mounts in game (a type of turtle skin may only be applied to an existing turtle mount which you bred or earned in game)

LeoManechest

MaiWaifu wrote: »

LeoManechest wrote: »

No, I've been playing games that don't have cosmetics in them.

Not trying to argue, I'm genuinely just curious.

What online game; that's still active, has no cosmetics?

It's probably worth trying out to compare how they do it.

DayZ, Diablo 2, Diablo 2 Resurrected, WoW Vanilla Classic, Escape from Tarkov, Eve Online , etc. are some of the games I've played with no cosmetics.

If you don't like a feature in a game, there are so many other games out there ...

People seem to feel like they have to play these Pay 2 Win, Pay for Cosmetic trash games ...

Schmuky

Wait, hold on, just read this threat.

@LeoManechest, my man, did you seriously consider games like WoW Classic and EVE, games where you can legit buy in-game currency, making them 100% pay-to-win, better than games that have cosmetics? Really??

Because if that true, have I got a gem of a game for you:

It's called Diablo Immortal, its even "free-to-play" on your phone, no cosmetics as far as i heard!

Asgerr

LeoManechest wrote: »

MaiWaifu wrote: »

LeoManechest wrote: »

No, I've been playing games that don't have cosmetics in them.

Not trying to argue, I'm genuinely just curious.

What online game; that's still active, has no cosmetics?

It's probably worth trying out to compare how they do it.

DayZ, Diablo 2, Diablo 2 Resurrected, WoW Vanilla Classic, Escape from Tarkov, Eve Online , etc. are some of the games I've played with no cosmetics.

If you don't like a feature in a game, there are so many other games out there ...

People seem to feel like they have to play these Pay 2 Win, Pay for Cosmetic trash games ...

EVE Online absolutely has cosmetics.

WoW Classic is basically a dead game that was resurrected to function like it did in early 2000. Not sure that counts either as we're basically talking about a game that ceased to exist nearly 20 years ago.

DayZ, Diablo 2, Escape from Tarkov, aren't MMOs though, so also not applicable to the current discussion.

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