PVP Trophies?

Is there going to be any sort of pvp trophy mechanic in game? not like a golden cup type trophy but like... something to show off. Lol.

Ultima online, if you killed someone you could take the head. We would always mount it and "lock it down" on our roof to show the people we've gotten.

Any form or system like that or similar in game? Thinking if I could decorate my freehold a little bit with something like this, it would be pretty cool.

Maybe a "Killboard" that lists who you've killed, or been killed by, etc.

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Warth

I'd be all for Titles for frequently corrupted players scaling with the amount of kills they have accumulated during the last 30-180 days. Like:

1 - 10 Non-Combatant PKs: Manslayer
11 - 50 Non-Combatant PKs: Murderer
51- 101 NC PKs: Corrupted
...

It shouldn't be possible to freely equip and unequip those. They should be automatically active whenever said players has killed somebody in the recent X days.

That way everybody he comes across sees how bad of a PKer he was and can decide for themselves whether they want to help him do his caravan, do the dungeon with him or simply be alarmed when said PKer is in his vicinity.

Mag7spy

Im unsure how id feel about the titles, people can just cheese and kill their friend to get them so it wouldn't have much meaning.

Warth

I think Titles shouldn't just be a optional, achievable thing.

Force a player to wear a Titel for a certain time after doing smth bad.

Make them wear the Title "Bandit" automatically after they have robbed a caravan. Let them wear the Title "Murderer" automatically after they have killed someone.

There is potential for many like these. Everybody knowing you are a robber should be part of repurcussions behind robbing somebody.

Ludullu

Otr wrote: »

how would you ballance the corruption to make gatherers feel safe enough to gather resources but still use caravans, a game mechanic where corruption is not applied?
I mean instead of using caravans, players could still make that trip between nodes 10 times with a fully loaded mule..

To me it's already balanced. Anyone who just wants to be a gatherer can just stay on lower adventure lvls and be protected by the huge amounts of corruption their killers would get. If you want to be high lvl in both - you're taking the risk of someone killing you w/o really getting that much corruption (that is, if they balance it how I'd prefer it).

And with mules giving another dose of corruption to the killer, any low-volume gatherer can move their stuff safely.

Warth

NiKr wrote: »

Otr wrote: »

@NiKr how would you ballance the corruption to make gatherers feel safe enough to gather resources but still use caravans, a game mechanic where corruption is not applied?
I mean instead of using caravans, players could still make that trip between nodes 10 times with a fully loaded mule..

To me it's already balanced. Anyone who just wants to be a gatherer can just stay on lower adventure lvls and be protected by the huge amounts of corruption their killers would get. If you want to be high lvl in both - you're taking the risk of someone killing you w/o really getting that much corruption (that is, if they balance it how I'd prefer it).

And with mules giving another dose of corruption to the killer, any low-volume gatherer can move their stuff safely.

I don't think mules giving corruption is confirmed. Do you have a quote on that? Haven't found amything on Wiki either

Ludullu

Warth wrote: »

I don't think mules giving corruption is confirmed. Do you have a quote on that? Haven't found anything on Wiki either

True. I just supposed that was the case because the 4th reference here says that others have to kill the mule in order to loot it, and I see no reason why that wouldn't give you corruption. I mainly base this on L2's pvp system, so I might be wrong, but I doubt Steven would want a ginormous exploit in his system. If the mule doesn't give corruption, what's stopping other players from just killing the mule, getting the loot and running away w/o any penalties?

Warth

NiKr wrote: »

Warth wrote: »

I don't think mules giving corruption is confirmed. Do you have a quote on that? Haven't found anything on Wiki either

True. I just supposed that was the case because the 4th reference here says that others have to kill the mule in order to loot it, and I see no reason why that wouldn't give you corruption. I mainly base this on L2's pvp system, so I might be wrong, but I doubt Steven would want a ginormous exploit in his system. If the mule doesn't give corruption, what's stopping other players from just killing the mule, getting the loot and running away w/o any penalties?

What's stopping them? I suuppose the mule owner and his friends.

So should the killing of all mounts give corruption?

Warth

@NiKr

Also let's assume you kill the mule.
What do you do next? Get out your own Mule and try to get the stuff to safety.
Then you have the risk.

Seems like a fair system to me. Once you loot the mule, you have the burden of carrying it home

Ludullu

Warth wrote: »

What's stopping them? I suuppose the mule owner and his friends.

Same can be said about PKing overall, so that's not an argument against mules giving corruption.

Warth wrote: »

So should the killing of all mounts give corruption?

Imo yes. If your mount gets left behind after your death or if your pursuer kills the mount first - they should get corrutpion.

Warth wrote: »

Also let's assume you kill the mule.
What do you do next? Get out your own Mule and try to get the stuff to safety.
Then you have the risk.

We don't know how big the "fraction of the goods" is. It could be less than 10% so now you're completely fine with looting everything you can and having enough space on your person to carry it.

Also, even if it >10% and the mule doesn't give you corruption - you're still free to just kill the mule, pick up as much as you can and run away w/o any penalties. That doesn't sound like "risk vs reward" system to me.

Warth

Seems like a discussion better placed in A2 as it depends on the specifics.

Also, even if it >10% and the mule doesn't give you corruption - you're still free to just kill the mule, pick up as much as you can and run away w/o any penalties. That doesn't sound like "risk vs reward" system to me.

So, like the caravan system?
By its definition, risk of losing something can only be attributed to those who actually own something. Thats the advantage of being a poor fuck.

Mules giving corruption can only result in 2 things:

- the corruption penalty being so high that its not worth pursueing which invalidates a large part of the caravan system, as high value materials wilk be transported by mule instead.

- the corruption penalty being so low that packed mules are a KOS target.

I think corruption on mules might be able to work, but that seems to come with inherent risks for the other systems

Ludullu

Warth wrote: »

So, like the caravan system?

Except caravan system is an opt-in one and has its own risk/reward features related to it. And those features have been questioned multiple times in the past and will definitely be tested a lot in alpha2.

Warth wrote: »

Mules giving corruption can only result in 2 things:

- the corruption penalty being so high that its not worth pursueing which invalidates a large part of the caravan system, as high value materials wilk be transported by mule instead.

- the corruption penalty being so low that packed mules are a KOS target.

I think corruption on mules might be able to work, but that seems to come with inherent risks for the other systems

Make mules very slow and make them not add points to the PK counter, but add as much corruption as the PKer would've gotten if they killed the mule owner twice in a row.

This way moving big amounts of resources would be an absolute chore, while PKing mules wouldn't get you into too much trouble.

As for super valuable resources, their amount will probably be limited enough to carry them on your person, at which point getting PKed with them in your mule wouldn't differ much from getting PKed with them on you.

And having mules be just a worse and more exploitable version of caravans seems very illogical to me, while them being a safer but slower way to move your resources (which also support lowbie players) seems like a good and balanced risk/reward feature. You spend way more time to transfer your stuff more safely, while caravans allow you to transfer it way quicker but with more dangers.

Srixun

I still want PK/PVP Trophies. :P

Chicago

I think a title system would be cool, in an old game I played the system worked like this, there were 8 titles, freshman, rookie, apprentice, novice, neophyte, master, champion, and grand master,

To gain titles you had to kill a player with your current title or higher to advance so for example a novice couldnt advance by killing a rookie, but a rookie could advance by killing a novice,

In turn this created a really cool internal pvp system that you could tell how good a player was by the title that they carried and who they had to kill to get it, this may cause some griefing issues but it could also be a good system to add to bounty hunters.

This system also works really well for dueling if that is a planned system.

Srixun

Chicago wrote: »

I think a title system would be cool, in an old game I played the system worked like this, there were 8 titles, freshman, rookie, apprentice, novice, neophyte, master, champion, and grand master,

To gain titles you had to kill a player with your current title or higher to advance so for example a novice couldn't advance by killing a rookie, but a rookie could advance by killing a novice,

In turn this created a really cool internal pvp system that you could tell how good a player was by the title that they carried and who they had to kill to get it, this may cause some griefing issues but it could also be a good system to add to bounty hunters.

This system also works really well for dueling if that is a planned system.

This could be cool. but I'm curious how you take it, if you have 3 Novice ganking a grandmaster, how would that work?

Me. I just want like something I can show off on my house or something. Like I mentioned before in UO (Ultima Online) we would just mount their heads to the roof of your house. :P

caertaker

I would like to see a title that was extremely difficult to obtain and commanded respect when encountered. Something similar to "Justicar" in Vanilla and early Burning Crusade WoW.

Ripteye

Not a fan of it things like killboards in eve. They create toxic environments in my opinion.

Ayeveegaming1

Dolyem wrote: »

100% want there to be PvP trophies, but specific to where you have obtained them. For example, heads are for open world kills, ears are for arena, noses are for bounties, etc.

Yep, I was gonna say body parts

Imagine them as necro reagents for some wierd spells. Or crafting bone handled weapons. Or for the lonely cannibal shutout who is getting to old to go get his own body parts!!

Aszkalon

Srixun wrote: »

PVP Trophies ?

In early Alterac Valley BG in (now) Worst of Warcraft,
You could take for Example the Hooves of Tauren as an Alliance Player. Occasionally such Stuff dropped.
Or the Ears of Nightelves when you were a Horde Player.

If dear Intrepid would be bold enough to put such occasional, partly barbaric and gruesome PvP Trophies of brutal Conflicts into the Game,

you could bring something like a [severed Vek-Ear] to some shady NPC who collects Bodyparts of defeated/slain Opponents,

but then again whenever People die in Verra -> they just turn into a tiny pile of smoldering Ash,
now don't they ? No Idea if this would happen to - "in Theory" - cut off Bodyparts as well, or Bodyparts from People at the Moment the People the Bodyparts belonged to, when they turn into these Ash piles.
Could make such "gruesome Trophies" impossible.

But what about " Tags " that People can wear in Lore/Theory as Citizens/Soldiers/Fighters of a Node ?

Like You can collect such an Item occasionally - and either sell it in to some Honor-Points/EXP at your own Node or something : or collect them as part of a kinda ruthless way to show off your slain Opponents and/or Victims.

The "Tag" should include something like the "Level" and maybe even "Item/Gear-Level" of your Opponent to the Time you slain him.

This Way,
if You defeat "Johnny the Dragonslayer" at Level 50 when he had defeated already a few WorldBosses,
it would be more epic as the Tag from "Johnny the Caravan-Escort" when he was just around LvL 40.

Just an Idea.

Chicago

caertaker wrote: »

I would like to see a title that was extremely difficult to obtain and commanded respect when encountered. Something similar to "Justicar" in Vanilla and early Burning Crusade WoW.

Justicar was not hard to get or required any type of skill, it was just hitting exalted rep, almost a pve title.

I agree with titles being a reward though

Chicago

Srixun wrote: »

Chicago wrote: »

I think a title system would be cool, in an old game I played the system worked like this, there were 8 titles, freshman, rookie, apprentice, novice, neophyte, master, champion, and grand master,

To gain titles you had to kill a player with your current title or higher to advance so for example a novice couldn't advance by killing a rookie, but a rookie could advance by killing a novice,

In turn this created a really cool internal pvp system that you could tell how good a player was by the title that they carried and who they had to kill to get it, this may cause some griefing issues but it could also be a good system to add to bounty hunters.

This system also works really well for dueling if that is a planned system.

This could be cool. but I'm curious how you take it, if you have 3 Novice ganking a grandmaster, how would that work?

Me. I just want like something I can show off on my house or something. Like I mentioned before in UO (Ultima Online) we would just mount their heads to the roof of your house. :P

I'm not sure if they would all get points or maybe divided by 3, it should work as an exp bar to the next title that can be gained and lost, I think furthermore it would prevent banking as higher ranked players wouldn't risk their titles to gank someone that didn't give exp

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