Killing your friend to lower their corruption

There you have it once more. It will be risky. Imagine you being red and taking off all your gear, handing to a friend, who will then proceed to kill.
At that moment you are basically a naked red player with an inventory full of gear, ready to be one-shot.
Until that trade is completed you can burst like a pinata to bring joy to all the nearby people.
Yes there is anxiety as Steven said, for those that dare to go red. While I was trading my brother, 15 or so years ago, I got killed by the swarming non-combatants and I lost my best arnor. That's what happens when you go red.

Another simple fix without altering the PK system is for a trade to take 3s after both players have hit the Cofnirm button on the trade tab.

I wish people will stop freaking out about open world PvP/PK. It's one thing to try to cover all loopholes and it's another thing to want to prevent free interaction by making content:
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Azherae

Otr wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

Otr wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

You take a massive exp hit, but you are coordinated enough to not lose gear too.

If you can recover the lost experience faster than getting the same quantity of resources you loot, it is worth being done. If the game is well balanced, choosing to kill and loot should bring risks too upon the PKer. That's the intention for small isolated cases.

Killing and looting might work when a team is around to help with the corruption but then more people are blocked doing this activity for less loot. Probably they will move to target caravans if they really want to be efficient. If they don't do that, then their plan is to scare the gatherers and divert defenders away from caravans?
Can also be that they enjoy killing helpless innocent gatherers, but if they can do that, then the server is really in chaos and no structured alliances are present anymore. In that case, something bad happened with the game imo.

There are no helpless innocent gatherers. If they are gathering, they're not helpless.

If they're helpless, then why are they gathering, other than to basically be killed by people who take some stuff?

Maybe the materials they drop are just the price of the bloodport home?

True, if they can kill mobs guarding rare resources, they have good weapons and gear.
Weapons which make the same damage in both PvP and PvE.
It makes no sense to not fight and defend when a player attacks.
I have no idea why there is this overreaction to PK-ers here on this forum.
Sometime the argument is that PKers kill low level players. I think this will be not possible and/or efficient in AoC.

Maybe some players are used to easy predictable NPCs and they feel they can always defeat NPCs but players are always better and will win. So they call themselves peaceful players.
Maybe NPCs in AoC should be as skilled as a player.

We can always hope. It'd be a shame to have a game like this and then the regular enemies be pushovers.

They were at least 'okay' in Alpha-1 though.

George_Black

Otr wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

^^^
LMAO
That's 100% misleading.

What is misleading?

Dont.. ignore it..

Mag7spy

Asgerr wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

If you drop corrupted gear you can no longer equip it on your account as its corrupted to your soul.

Citation needed

This is simply an idea that would help to counter people trying to avoid dealing with corruption consequences.

Mag7spy

Also when you hit max level if you don't delevel than xp lost might not matter to people potentially.

Mag7spy

George_Black wrote: »

Otr wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

^^^
LMAO
That's 100% misleading.

What is misleading?

Dont.. ignore it..

Ludullu

Mag7spy wrote: »

Also when you hit max level if you don't delevel than xp lost might not matter to people potentially.

You do "delvel" though. Your stats go down because your XP debt gets you below your Level value. But, unless the levels matter too much for the character power, I doubt most people will care about 1-2 levels "lost".

Mag7spy

NiKr wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Also when you hit max level if you don't delevel than xp lost might not matter to people potentially.

You do "delvel" though. Your stats go down because your XP debt gets you below your Level value. But, unless the levels matter too much for the character power, I doubt most people will care about 1-2 levels "lost".

Did not know that so ya it will still matter which is good then.

Dygz

Mag7spy wrote: »

What is misleading?

Hunh. When I wrote that comment it was directly under Mag7spy's post, but...
I might have gotten interrupted for a while at work before I hit the post button.
Fixed now.

Mag7spy

When people try to argue on forums without context and just waste reading time ^

Dygz

Glad you are finally self-reflective.

Noaani

Dygz wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

What is misleading?

Hunh. When I wrote that comment it was directly under Mag7spy's post, but...
I might have gotten interrupted for a while at work before I hit the post button.
Fixed now.

You should literally always quote a post you are replying to, if you are replying to a specific post.

People will not and should not assume you are talking to the post directly above yours.

I mean, it is a single click, it's not like it's hard.

Noaani

Mag7spy wrote: »

Also when you hit max level if you don't delevel than xp lost might not matter to people potentially.

Experience debt has negative effects associated with it. Tou are less effective in combat, and are subject to a lower drop rate from mobs you kill.

This is the actual penalty, the experience is simply the mechanism by which you remove that penalty.

Mag7spy

Dygz wrote: »

Glad you are finally self-reflective.

You are not the brightest.

Dygz

Still self-reflective. Do continue.

Mag7spy

Dygz wrote: »

Still self-reflective. Nice.

You literarily don't understand what people are saying as well as assuming things and changing the topics to fit your narrative lmfao. Guess it is the best you can do on a forum though.

Dygz

LMAO
OK, Mr. Pot.
And... we're done.

Mag7spy

Dygz wrote: »

LMAO
OK, Mr. Pot.
And... we're done.

Talks random shit, then says we're done. Typical degenerate forum behavior. Hope you mean it this time being "done"

Schmuky

I'll throw my 2 cents here.

Yes, open world, unprovoked PK will be a thing. However, one of the biggest downsides of it, in my opinion, is the reputation damage you get by doing it.

Considering this game is meant to be played for years, by acting like a clown and killing players left and right, people will hear about it. People might not want to trade you stuff, won't trust you with caravans etc etc. Also, when joining a guild, this reputation might make it so some guilds will not allow a player to join.

Actually, just had an idea. What if there is a register in a city with all the times a player went corrupt. So anyone could check if a player has a history of acting like a clown.

Could be interesting, needs more thinking about tbh.

Asgerr

Schmuky wrote: »

Actually, just had an idea. What if there is a register in a city with all the times a player went corrupt. So anyone could check if a player has a history of acting like a clown.

Could be interesting, needs more thinking about tbh.

What happens to the registry once the node is destroyed in a node war? Do we lose track of the records? If so will this incite PKers to gather in a Guild and in transfer nodes just so they can erase the records from their previous node?

Azherae

Schmuky wrote: »

I'll throw my 2 cents here.

Yes, open world, unprovoked PK will be a thing. However, one of the biggest downsides of it, in my opinion, is the reputation damage you get by doing it.

Considering this game is meant to be played for years, by acting like a clown and killing players left and right, people will hear about it. People might not want to trade you stuff, won't trust you with caravans etc etc. Also, when joining a guild, this reputation might make it so some guilds will not allow a player to join.

Actually, just had an idea. What if there is a register in a city with all the times a player went corrupt. So anyone could check if a player has a history of acting like a clown.

Could be interesting, needs more thinking about tbh.

But going red occasionally, to get resources or just kill enemies or sabotage nodes, is literally the point of being able to do this.

The feeling of 'open world risk' that many wish for, doesn't exist if there isn't at least some subset of people out there willing to go Red for items or to bring down a well-financed Node.

I'm not saying one way or the other that the game will have a specific outcome, but why should any player 'have a negative reaction' to a person 'just' because they have gone red 10 times, 100 times, 1000 times? Some people may just go 'well that's why we play this game, of course you go red 20 times a month'.

What does a guild even suffer from 'taking people who go red whenever they want to' if there are many other similar guilds in an area?

I hope that the plan to make it clear what servers have higher tendencies toward owPvP for later joiners, works out well, for this reason.

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