Is this MMO going to have any monetary features?

Is this MMO going to have monetary features other than purchasing the game and a subscription?
Examples: Paying to level up - Buying mounts and other cosmetic features, etc.

IMO if at all possible, if you can muster it (like the world most popular MMO for its first 3 expansions), I would not put any of these in game. If any monetary features are in the game even harmless skins I personally am going to be less inclined to purchase AOC.

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Iridianny

Ask the guy who brought up gacha models XD. I think any cash shop is, or atleast opening the door to it.

mcstackerson

Iridianny wrote: »

Ask the guy who brought up gacha models XD. I think any cash shop is, or atleast opening the door to it.

All I see is someone bringing up how they make a lot of money, you are the one who said one is being implemented here, which I don't see.

Yes, having a shop is a helpful if you want to sell something but I don't think it means you will sell everything.

Iridianny

He was implying it’s a good model for them to be using… why else would he bring it up? Also, you, like everyone else, is ignoring the point that the cash shop as their primary monetization model means that if the game is bought they will be implementing p2w into that conveniently implemented cash shop. So my opinion has simply been that it’s a better idea to make their monetization model around something that would never open the door to p2w down the road and doesn’t compromise the experience of their game. Raising sub price, paying for character slot, etc…

Mag7spy

Iridianny wrote: »

Ask the guy who brought up gacha models XD. I think any cash shop is, or atleast opening the door to it.

So you are just lying then lmfao.

CROW3

Iridianny wrote: »

He was implying it’s a good model for them to be using… why else would he bring it up? Also, you, like everyone else, is ignoring the point that the cash shop as their primary monetization model means that if the game is bought they will be implementing p2w into that conveniently implemented cash shop. So my opinion has simply been that it’s a better idea to make their monetization model around something that would never open the door to p2w down the road and doesn’t compromise the experience of their game. Raising sub price, paying for character slot, etc…

Subs will be their primary revenue stream
Cosmetics will be a secondary revenue stream

Iridianny

You all really have nothing better to do than try to dispute my opinion?

Mag7spy

Iridianny wrote: »

You all really have nothing better to do than try to dispute my opinion?

When you have a take this extremely bad ya.

CROW3

Iridianny wrote: »

You all really have nothing better to do than try to dispute my opinion?

Well, technically, I was disputing your incorrect facts about the primary revenue stream. I've learned discussing your opinions isn't fruitful.

Noaani

Iridianny wrote: »

Also, no one is addressing the very real possibility that an already implemented cash shop as a monetization model means p2w down the road if the game is sold. Everyone here acts like they work for intrepid’s financial team XD

I wasnt going to address this point, but I will so that it doesnt become a sticking point.

Ashes starting out with a cash shop means absolutely nothing at all in terms of whether the game will eventually have pay to win aspects or not.

Many games have gone from having no cash shop at all to having a pay to win cash shop (WoW). Not having a cash shop is straight up not a barrier at all to a game going pay to win. In fact, a game doesnt even need a functioning cash shop in order to have a pay to win capacity (EVE).

As an argument, the notion that a cosmetic only cash shop is bad because it could mean the game adds pay to win aspects later on down the road is totally pointless.

This is why no one addressed it.

Edit to add; if anything, the argument could be made that Ashes starting out with a cosmetic only cash shop should mean Intrepid do not need to look for additional revenue streams - which is what has led to other games getting pay to win aspects added.

So, the cash shop may well be what prevents pay to win in Ashes in the long run.

Iridianny

Most of the players the game will have at launch aren't going to be players that looked into vision of the game not having any p2w or participated in development. They will be new players. So, they will most likely view the cash shop as just that, a cash shop. With that kind of impression right at the start for new players means that cash shop is developed into the culture of the game and community. So, there would be a lot less backlash if more was added to the cash shop later on then if they launched the game without one, the player base got used to not having one, and then added one later.

Noaani

Iridianny wrote: »

Most of the players the game will have at launch aren't going to be players that looked into vision of the game not having any p2w or participated in development. They will be new players. So, they will most likely view the cash shop as just that, a cash shop. With that kind of impression right at the start for new players means that cash shop is developed into the culture of the game and community. So, there would be a lot less backlash if more was added to the cash shop later on then if they launched the game without one, the player base got used to not having one, and then added one later.

By that logic, Intrepid having a website should give you the same cause for pause.

This is because a website is all that is needed to have pay to win aspects in games (again, EVE). Since Intrepid has a website, they could easily just add pay to win features to it and there wouldn't be the backlash because the website is a part of the impression right at the start.

I mean, games can have cash shops for many years and still not sell any pay to win aspects at all. Path of Exile is as good an example of this as any - the game has been live for almost 9 years now, has no subscription fee, and a non pay to win cash shop.

Point is, if Intrepid decided at a later date to shift Ashes over to a pay to win model, the game having or not having a cash shop would have no weight on that decision, and players in the game would not think more or less of the decision based on that cash shop already existing.

The concern is completely unfounded.

Ludullu

Iridianny wrote: »

He was implying it’s a good model for them to be using… why else would he bring it up?

As I've said in another post, I was just countering your "people would buy the expensive thing rather than the cheap one" comment. If that was always true, mtx wouldn't have become the biggest moneymaker in the gaming industry. I never once said that Ashes will use a gacha mechanic, nor was I implying they would/are.

daveywavey

Iridianny wrote: »

I was really just sharing my opinion. I don’t know why people feel the need to defend ashes monetization model so intensely that you have to argue my opinion on the matter to this extent. Oh wait… I do… you all bought into it already.

Aaaaahahahaha, aheheheheh heeeeheheeeheehaaaaa.....

PenguinPaladin

Imagine, sharing your opinion, and then being against someone else sharing their opinion about your opinion. Its crazy how everyone can just do and say what they want to isnt it.

Iridianny

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

Imagine, sharing your opinion, and then being against someone else sharing their opinion about your opinion. Its crazy how everyone can just do and say what they want to isn't it.

Imagine feeling necessary to share your opinion about other people's opinion about a monetization model in an unreleased video game, that is already making money off of you, to this extent instead of doing something productive. In discussions there is sharing your opinion and there is attempting to dismiss and tear down people and their opinions when they say something you disagree with even though it doesn't affect you at all, including with insults like that eyepatch rat. Yea you can do what you want, but you look silly doing this.

PenguinPaladin

Iridianny wrote: »

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

Imagine, sharing your opinion, and then being against someone else sharing their opinion about your opinion. Its crazy how everyone can just do and say what they want to isn't it.

Imagine feeling necessary to share your opinion about other people's opinion about a monetization model in an unreleased video game, that is already making money off of you, to this extent instead of doing something productive. In discussions there is sharing your opinion and there is attempting to dismiss and tear down people and their opinions when they say something you disagree with even though it doesn't affect you at all, including with insults like that eyepatch rat. Yea you can do what you want, but you look silly doing this.

You mistake something here...

My entire purpose was to look silly here. Because i was making a joke... at your expense...

Iridianny

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

Iridianny wrote: »

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

Imagine, sharing your opinion, and then being against someone else sharing their opinion about your opinion. Its crazy how everyone can just do and say what they want to isn't it.

Imagine feeling necessary to share your opinion about other people's opinion about a monetization model in an unreleased video game, that is already making money off of you, to this extent instead of doing something productive. In discussions there is sharing your opinion and there is attempting to dismiss and tear down people and their opinions when they say something you disagree with even though it doesn't affect you at all, including with insults like that eyepatch rat. Yea you can do what you want, but you look silly doing this.

You mistake something here...

My entire purpose was to look silly here. Because i was making a joke... at your expense...

Wow, you have a lot of free time and are really a welcoming and productive member of this community!

PenguinPaladin

Iridianny wrote: »

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

Iridianny wrote: »

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

Imagine, sharing your opinion, and then being against someone else sharing their opinion about your opinion. Its crazy how everyone can just do and say what they want to isn't it.

Imagine feeling necessary to share your opinion about other people's opinion about a monetization model in an unreleased video game, that is already making money off of you, to this extent instead of doing something productive. In discussions there is sharing your opinion and there is attempting to dismiss and tear down people and their opinions when they say something you disagree with even though it doesn't affect you at all, including with insults like that eyepatch rat. Yea you can do what you want, but you look silly doing this.

You mistake something here...

My entire purpose was to look silly here. Because i was making a joke... at your expense...

Wow, you have a lot of free time and are really a welcoming and productive member of this community!

That is your opinion and you are welcome to it. Just dont throw a fit if someone else also has their own opinion about it.

Ludullu

I definitely have an opinion and a lot of time to say it

Iridianny

Please show me where I “threw a fit” XD

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