Copying new world is going to ruin this game

One of the major problems I felt in new world was how they handled inventory, because it was limited you were forced to store stuff across the zones and now AoC is looking to do the same thing but with an added feature, caravans. So if you need to move items across areas you have to open yourself up to griefing...don't care about insurance, just means you lose time and money. This is going to be a major pain for causal players and if they are going with this, what else are they going to do to push away casual gamers.

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CROW3

Dygz wrote: »

Another similarity is both games have swords and daggers.

Well crap! I'm out...

Talents

Elder

Talents wrote: »

I'm stealing this.

TheDarkSorcerer

What's up with these negative threads lately? I feel like i see threads with assumptions and lies a lot lately...

The game is not even out yet, so you cannot make the assumption it's like X other game...

What this game IS, is a game that have a lot of transparency with their development! I have never played a game where a studio feel like a good friend who actually cares.

BaSkA_9x2

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

What's up with these negative threads lately? I feel like i see threads with assumptions and lies a lot lately... The game is not even out yet, so you cannot make the assumption it's like X other game...

What this game IS, is a game that have a lot of transparency with their development! I have never played a game where a studio feel like a good friend who actually cares.

If I had to bet, I'd say a lot of people do not want a good MMORPG to come out. Maybe some of these people have a lot to lose (or gain) if Ashes had (more) public image issues. In any case, we're also to blame because we keep feeding these shitposts, when we should simply ignore them.

Torkham wrote: »

One of the major problems I felt in new world was how they handled inventory, because it was limited you were forced to store stuff across the zones and now AoC is looking to do the same thing but with an added feature, caravans. So if you need to move items across areas you have to open yourself up to griefing...don't care about insurance, just means you lose time and money. This is going to be a major pain for causal players and if they are going with this, what else are they going to do to push away casual gamers.

Ashes didn't copy New World because this feature was already in Ashes' initial game design/Kickstarter years before New World switched from a survival game to a botched MMORPG failure (not economically, obviously).
Not having a global bank/storage is a feature, not a hindrance. If it ends up not working and being a pain, maybe Intrepid can tweak it as time goes by, but it's not changing any time before release.
New World has a P2W mechanic to move items from different cities without needing to physically transport it, Ashes won't.
You don't need a caravan to move items, only if the amount is bigger than what you can carry. Even then you can try to move it on your mount, without a Caravan. If you're carrying processed goods and not in a Caravan, you won't lose anything if you get killed.
Caravans and the risks that come with it isn't griefing, it's PvP. If you don't like to take risks, don't take part in it. Maybe become a Caravan thief. If you don't like PvP... well I'm afraid I have some bad news for you.
You don't know what casual gamers like or dislike. Your definition of casual gamer is probably different than mine. If you're pushed away by this, please say you feel that way, don't involve other people in your own problems.
I'm a casual gamer, as in I enjoy games but can only play 10~20 hours a week, and I do not want Ashes to cater to entitled pseudo-gamers.

Cheers!

CROW3

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

What's up with these negative threads lately? I feel like i see threads with assumptions and lies a lot lately...

These tend to show up after the monthly updates.

FuryBladeborne

Torkham wrote: »

One of the major problems I felt in new world was how they handled inventory, because it was limited you were forced to store stuff across the zones and now AoC is looking to do the same thing but with an added feature, caravans. So if you need to move items across areas you have to open yourself up to griefing...don't care about insurance, just means you lose time and money. This is going to be a major pain for causal players and if they are going with this, what else are they going to do to push away casual gamers.

The separation of storage by city is being done specifically to create different economies in different areas of the world. With different economies in different areas, players have the opportunity to research prices in different regions and make a lot of profit moving items common to one area into another that does not have the item.

If you have a shared storage across the world, then you can leave everything in storage, travel, and then pull everything out to sell. That would completely wreck the idea of varying economies and destroys the use of the caravan system as well as the caravan PVP system.

Veeshan

Torkham wrote: »

One of the major problems I felt in new world was how they handled inventory, because it was limited you were forced to store stuff across the zones and now AoC is looking to do the same thing but with an added feature, caravans. So if you need to move items across areas you have to open yourself up to griefing...don't care about insurance, just means you lose time and money. This is going to be a major pain for causal players and if they are going with this, what else are they going to do to push away casual gamers.

tbh the banking system wasnt the issue with new world :P shit combat, shit end game, shit pvp, shit pve that was the main issues.

Mag7spy

Shhh they want to just use new world to push their goals, its a secret.

MybroViajero

daveywavey

MybroViajero wrote: »

That's fab

Daggial

Wait Ashes is copying New World?
I though it was the other way around xD

Dygz

I mean...keep in mind that Ashes does have weapon skins.

Depraved

ashes isnt copying nw, its copying l2 xd

Dolyem

Baltan

So I used to love WOW, dungeons, raids, you name it. Then I grew up (crazy right?) I now have 5 children and a job I often work doubles at. I am now the definition of a casual player. I get to play games or watch TV for around 2 hours a day if I'm lucky (1 hour before kids wake up, 1 hour after they pass out at night) I have Sundays off though and get more time on those days.

I'm still looking forward to this because I know my limitations and accept it, my time playing this game will likely involve fishing, exploring and crafting. I think ashes is more than capable of being "casual friendly" people just need to know their limits and accept them.

I'm eagerly awaiting alpha 2♥️ even though I'll have to play in small doses

PherPhur

Torkham wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

I hate when people think games are coping new world, when new world just copied other games x.x

Regardless of who developed it first, it's a terrible feature and new world proved it.

Like other people have said, the local banking system in new world wasn't tied to other features of the game and served no other purpose than to seemingly make the game more tedious.

AoC has it in there for a reason. It's not to make the game aweful for casual players, it's to extend the life of the game.

AoC should have by far the best endgame and longevity of any MMO on the market, and it's systems like this that allow that to even be possible. Like someone had said once, the PvE and PvP in AoC are like 2 hands, one for construction and one for deconstruction of the world.

Certain mechanisms are but mere catalyst to spark animosity between guilds to kick off destruction of the world. As it's also been said, for the most part there won't be too much griefing and gankfesting because the game is designed to deter this type of thing, but it's also very much setup to test peoples willingness to work together in the face of scarcity and possibly degenerates within guilds looking to cause some chaos.

Which on some servers it might not happen, there might not be really much, if any node level destruction, but a day will come when everyone is maxed out, played the game to essentially completion as far as PvE goes, and they will want to push the game to it's limits. At that time they will start a war just for fun, there is no doubt in my mind.

And there you have it, the entire cities progression, gone, freeholds gone. And new players will come and want to build it up again, this time maybe in a different way. AoCs longevity as an MMO will be groundbreaking. Most people don't want to farm low drop rate items in a game with a 0.01% chance to drop every week in a dead game, its mindless soul crushing gambling for something that's going to provide you an atom of dopamine for like half a microsecond.

They want substance, they want to have fun, they want to stick around in a populated world with stuff going on, interactions with different players, new scenarios, playing with the stuff they've worked hard for over years. This game is honestly a natural evolution of the genre. Is it perfect? shit idk, it's not even out lol, but probably not. But it is going to be a MAJOR improvement and a natural step forward.

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