DPS Meter Megathread

Noaani wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

I am so glad Steven is saying no to DPS meters, AoC always gives me more hope for the mmo genre.

I am so glad it isnt Steven's call.

I'm expecting this comment to be a joke.

Dolyem

Just popping in to say hey and that dps meters arent necessary and while I am not against them in some games I dont want to see them in this one. It'll be refreshing to not have a system do all of the work for players trying to figure out a meta.

Exactly... as if the try hard wont record a video and frame by frame it anyway to find out whats optimal. Let them do the work.

Mag7spy wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

I am so glad Steven is saying no to DPS meters, AoC always gives me more hope for the mmo genre.

I am so glad it isnt Steven's call.

I'm expecting this comment to be a joke.

Not at all.

As I've said a few times, multiple trackers already exist for the game, and dont break the ToS.

The best people that dont want trackers can hope for is an FFXIV style rule where they aren't allowed to be talked about in game - but I doubt that will work well with voice chat.

Noaani wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

I am so glad Steven is saying no to DPS meters, AoC always gives me more hope for the mmo genre.

I am so glad it isnt Steven's call.

I'm expecting this comment to be a joke.

Not at all.

As I've said a few times, multiple trackers already exist for the game, and dont break the ToS.

The best people that dont want trackers can hope for is an FFXIV style rule where they aren't allowed to be talked about in game - but I doubt that will work well with voice chat.

Can you link me the official TOS and also a quote saying it wont be updated for release?

Diamaht

I think people are going to invent ways to track DPS if the game doesn't provide it. Those inventions will make their way to the internet. Its inevitable.

Diamaht wrote: »

I think people are going to invent ways to track DPS if the game doesn't provide it. Those inventions will make their way to the internet. Its inevitable.

So its a job intrepid can have done for them. I think thats a good thing. Faster game release that way

Mag7spy wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

I am so glad Steven is saying no to DPS meters, AoC always gives me more hope for the mmo genre.

I am so glad it isnt Steven's call.

I'm expecting this comment to be a joke.

Not at all.

As I've said a few times, multiple trackers already exist for the game, and dont break the ToS.

The best people that dont want trackers can hope for is an FFXIV style rule where they aren't allowed to be talked about in game - but I doubt that will work well with voice chat.

Can you link me the official TOS and also a quote saying it wont be updated for release?

Nope.

What I can do is tell you that the ToS of a piece of software can only define the terms of how you use that piece of software.

Current combat trackers for Ashes do not interact with Intrepids software at all. As such, the ToS simply can not have anything at all in it to prevent their use.

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

Diamaht wrote: »

I think people are going to invent ways to track DPS if the game doesn't provide it. Those inventions will make their way to the internet. Its inevitable.

So its a job intrepid can have done for them. I think thats a good thing. Faster game release that way

I mean, a competent developer should be able to code a combat tracker I a day or two (or they could use the one that was already made by an Intrepid developer).

The part of it that would take the most time is UI design - but that would fall in with all other UI work.

Noaani wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

I am so glad Steven is saying no to DPS meters, AoC always gives me more hope for the mmo genre.

I am so glad it isnt Steven's call.

I'm expecting this comment to be a joke.

Not at all.

As I've said a few times, multiple trackers already exist for the game, and dont break the ToS.

The best people that dont want trackers can hope for is an FFXIV style rule where they aren't allowed to be talked about in game - but I doubt that will work well with voice chat.

Can you link me the official TOS and also a quote saying it wont be updated for release?

Nope.

What I can do is tell you that the ToS of a piece of software can only define the terms of how you use that piece of software.

Current combat trackers for Ashes do not interact with Intrepids software at all. As such, the ToS simply can not have anything at all in it to prevent their use.

Then I'm assuming its a program takes abilities and such and lets you see dmg theoretically in a certain perfect situation based on things you input in. Though it will be faking to account for downtime on skills and such to get your damage numbers. So either way it won't be accurate of actual combat.

Noaani wrote: »

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

Diamaht wrote: »

I think people are going to invent ways to track DPS if the game doesn't provide it. Those inventions will make their way to the internet. Its inevitable.

So its a job intrepid can have done for them. I think thats a good thing. Faster game release that way

I mean, a competent developer should be able to code a combat tracker I a day or two (or they could use the one that was already made by an Intrepid developer).

The part of it that would take the most time is UI design - but that would fall in with all other UI work.

So you are saying someone spent company time programing things that are not within the gsmes current scope? No wonder they keep missing dates, they have team members that dont follow the script.

Azherae

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

Diamaht wrote: »

I think people are going to invent ways to track DPS if the game doesn't provide it. Those inventions will make their way to the internet. Its inevitable.

So its a job intrepid can have done for them. I think thats a good thing. Faster game release that way

I mean, a competent developer should be able to code a combat tracker I a day or two (or they could use the one that was already made by an Intrepid developer).

The part of it that would take the most time is UI design - but that would fall in with all other UI work.

So you are saying someone spent company time programing things that are not within the gsmes current scope? No wonder they keep missing dates, they have team members that dont follow the script.

This post says nothing about anything done on company time, though.

Diamaht

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Azherae wrote: »

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

Diamaht wrote: »

I think people are going to invent ways to track DPS if the game doesn't provide it. Those inventions will make their way to the internet. Its inevitable.

So its a job intrepid can have done for them. I think thats a good thing. Faster game release that way

I mean, a competent developer should be able to code a combat tracker I a day or two (or they could use the one that was already made by an Intrepid developer).

The part of it that would take the most time is UI design - but that would fall in with all other UI work.

So you are saying someone spent company time programing things that are not within the gsmes current scope? No wonder they keep missing dates, they have team members that dont follow the script.

This post says nothing about anything done on company time, though.

I mean, i was asking. There is a question mark. They are free to clearify

Azherae

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

Diamaht wrote: »

I think people are going to invent ways to track DPS if the game doesn't provide it. Those inventions will make their way to the internet. Its inevitable.

So its a job intrepid can have done for them. I think thats a good thing. Faster game release that way

I mean, a competent developer should be able to code a combat tracker I a day or two (or they could use the one that was already made by an Intrepid developer).

The part of it that would take the most time is UI design - but that would fall in with all other UI work.

So you are saying someone spent company time programing things that are not within the gsmes current scope? No wonder they keep missing dates, they have team members that dont follow the script.

This post says nothing about anything done on company time, though.

I mean, i was asking. There is a question mark. They are free to clearify

It was your second sentence that got that response from me, but yeah, I shouldn't have. Bad habit. Carry on.

Azherae wrote: »

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

Diamaht wrote: »

I think people are going to invent ways to track DPS if the game doesn't provide it. Those inventions will make their way to the internet. Its inevitable.

So its a job intrepid can have done for them. I think thats a good thing. Faster game release that way

I mean, a competent developer should be able to code a combat tracker I a day or two (or they could use the one that was already made by an Intrepid developer).

The part of it that would take the most time is UI design - but that would fall in with all other UI work.

So you are saying someone spent company time programing things that are not within the gsmes current scope? No wonder they keep missing dates, they have team members that dont follow the script.

This post says nothing about anything done on company time, though.

I mean, i was asking. There is a question mark. They are free to clearify

It was your second sentence that got that response from me, but yeah, I shouldn't have. Bad habit. Carry on.

I mean, you're fine. Im being a smartass.

Aerlana

Dygz wrote: »

Are you talking about group leadership or guild leadership?

What is a guild ? a group of players...
What is "group" when we speak here ? a group of players.

The first is for mid/long term relationship, while second is for mostly short term relationship.
Those durations impact how you manage it.

But both in the end can keep their group cohesion with people with a close mindset about how enjoy the game in it... You need some strong point that gather all people in each of those group of player, be it a guild, or a raid.

Dygz wrote: »

It doesn't matter if the only way to get banned from FFXIV for using parsers is ONLY if you kick a dude while SAYING you kick him for bad DPS.
What matters is that the devs don't provide players with DPS meters.

I answered to the message i quoted just before those lines.

buuut... if i understand well, you don't care about combat tracker, if they are not included in game files ?
For me people are against... totally, so i admit not sure to understand

Dygz

Aerlana wrote: »

What is a guild ? a group of players...
What is "group" when we speak here ? a group of players.

Um.
Group = the players who have formally joined together for a dungeon or raid. There are tools that allow the group leader to adjust looting rights for the group and also allow the group leader to kick people from the group.
In Ashes, a dungeon group has a max of 8 player characters. A raid group has a max of 40 player characters.

Guild = Clan

I’m not aware of people being kicked from guilds because a guild leader did a DPS meter check and believed they under-performed in a dungeon or raid.
I have, many times, experienced people being kicked from a group during a dungeon or raid because the group leader did a DPS check and believed they under-performed in a dungeon or raid.

I’m not aware of an MMORPG that has a mechanism to remove an active guild leader from the guild.
Which MMORPG has tools that allow a group leader to be kicked from the group?

Aerlana wrote: »

if i understand well, you don't care about combat tracker, if they are not included in game files ?
For me people are against... totally, so i admit not sure to understand

Can’t stop people from trying to create their own tools outside of the game.

If devs provide DPS meters, they will design content with the expectation that everyone is using DPS meters to defeat content.
And I don’t want devs to design Ashes content with the expectation that everyone is using DPS meters.

I want the devs to design content striving to provide the experience Steven envisions:
"Back in the day, when MMOs were great, you had to win your encounters through trial and error. You didn't have a DPS meter telling you, 'Oh! We need to get up to 67.7% damage in order to achieve the whatever!' It wasn't some mechanical bullshit experience where you got to look at a graph or chart and say, 'Oh! We need to do exactly this.' Instead, you actually had to be present, you had to watch what was happening, you had to help your fellow guild members learn how to play the game and you had to excel as a group."

Mag7spy wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

I am so glad Steven is saying no to DPS meters, AoC always gives me more hope for the mmo genre.

I am so glad it isnt Steven's call.

I'm expecting this comment to be a joke.

Not at all.

As I've said a few times, multiple trackers already exist for the game, and dont break the ToS.

The best people that dont want trackers can hope for is an FFXIV style rule where they aren't allowed to be talked about in game - but I doubt that will work well with voice chat.

Can you link me the official TOS and also a quote saying it wont be updated for release?

Nope.

What I can do is tell you that the ToS of a piece of software can only define the terms of how you use that piece of software.

Current combat trackers for Ashes do not interact with Intrepids software at all. As such, the ToS simply can not have anything at all in it to prevent their use.

Then I'm assuming its a program takes abilities and such and lets you see dmg theoretically in a certain perfect situation based on things you input in. Though it will be faking to account for downtime on skills and such to get your damage numbers. So either way it won't be accurate of actual combat.

Nope, it analyzes actual combat.

It just analyzes it from a video feed. As such, it can be used on people streaming, or on YouTube videos. This means you can use it on yourself while streaming - or just analyze the video feed directly without streaming it.

The only thing Intrepid could do to prevent this would be to say people are not allowed to capture video of the game - meaning no streaming or YouTube videos.