There should be sub tokens in AoC

Intrepid might as well make some money gold selling through sub tokens before the game inevitably implodes on itself from gold farmers and bots. At least then extremely poor people from poor countries will be able to play before it happens.

I don't think people understand how much gold farming is going to destroy this game. It's more centered around PvP than any MMO I have seen and it's very market heavy. Just wait until people find out someones dropping 20k to outpace everyone in the game and become and unstoppable force within a few weeks. Buying all the dragon eggs, being completely decked out in legendaries, them and their band of P2W buddies, a band of paid mercenaries, paying to have unstoppable caravans. Owning all the castles and taxing at a ridiculous rate to make even more money and solidify their spot at the top. Fun!

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Taleof2Cities

NiKr wrote: »

So you have no hill to die on. You're not truly against RMT. You're just part of the problem of "no one cares enough to show the dev studios that if they don't take it seriously - no one will play their game". So this whole thread was a waste of time. But what else is new.

Agreed.

In the academic world, it's called a slippery slope logical fallacy.

As others have shared in this thread and other threads, Intrepid surely has a plan.

They're just not going to publicly share that plan ... so the bots can engineer a workaround ahead of time.

Ludullu

Noaani wrote: »

Then you have the PvP aspect. I've yet to see bots plague a game where they can be attacked by other players. I've seen the occasional bot, but they never last long.

It still takes the devs/GMs banning those bots, even in pvp games. L2 had a shitton of them even though PKing there was usually a not so scary thing (especially when PKing a bot). But when those bots can always just come back, there's just not enough people willing to constantly monitor their farming locations to always kill them.

Noaani

NiKr wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Then you have the PvP aspect. I've yet to see bots plague a game where they can be attacked by other players. I've seen the occasional bot, but they never last long.

It still takes the devs/GMs banning those bots, even in pvp games. L2 had a shitton of them even though PKing there was usually a not so scary thing (especially when PKing a bot). But when those bots can always just come back, there's just not enough people willing to constantly monitor their farming locations to always kill them.

It does take GM's to ban them, but it takes players to make botting not worth the time or effort.

This is kind of where players have a choice when they come across a bot. If you want the bot banned (or suspended, more likely), you report it and leave it doing what it's doing (makes it easier for the GM if the bot is active - though they can look in to it if it isn't in most games, it just takes longer).

Or, the player can opt to make botting not worth it for that person by killing said bot.

From what I understand, the penalties for being killed in Ashes are much higher than the penalties in L2 (correct me if I am wrong), so you could well make it so the bot runs at a loss if you have a good way to remove your corruption.

Even without much of a death penalty, Archeage had no bots because there were no worthwhile locations for farming that weren't fairly close to where someone would be. If you were trying to farm a location, there was probably someone within 30 seconds of you most of the time.

This is what I expect in Ashes.

Ludullu

Noaani wrote: »

From what I understand, the penalties for being killed in Ashes are much higher than the penalties in L2 (correct me if I am wrong), so you could well make it so the bot runs at a loss if you have a good way to remove your corruption.

Earlier updates had a way to make those bots potentially drop gear (by making mobs kill them), but overall yeah, a normal death at the hands of a PKer didn't really do anything to the bot. Ashes will definitely have a bigger impact there.

Noaani wrote: »

Even without much of a death penalty, Archeage had no bots because there were no worthwhile locations for farming that weren't fairly close to where someone would be. If you were trying to farm a location, there was probably someone within 30 seconds of you most of the time.

This is what I expect in Ashes.

I think a lot will depend on how resource distribution will work in Ashes. We know that pretty much all tiers of anything will be valuable to at least some extent. So in theory the bot could be hidden in some godforsaken part of the world just grinding some sticks and stones, but due to how much he can farm them (because he's working 24/7), it'll be worth it in the end.

Now I definitely hope this doesn't happen, but we'll have to see.

George_Black

You are wrong. Big time.

Halae

George_Black wrote: »

You are wrong. Big time.

You should probably say who you're talking at, because there's two sides in this thread you could be talking to.

ariatras

Oh, please, no. Not tokens.

daveywavey

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

I've dabbled in botting enough to know.

They're not going to give you their anti-botting tactics for you to try and work around, no matter how many of these threads you make, and no matter how many other threads you try to derail with it. So please stop.

Caww

Halae wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

You are wrong. Big time.

You should probably say who you're talking at, because there's two sides in this thread you could be talking to.

It's a solid declaration which can be directed at both sides... (given the game is nowhere near fully developed)

BaSkA_9x2

Let's solve the RMT/gold farming/botting issue by adding P2W to the game. That worked great for the games that did it, am I right?

However, since you believe RMT/buying gold is the same as P2W:

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

I don't think people understand how much gold farming is going to destroy this game...

Buying all the dragon eggs, being completely decked out in legendaries, them and their band of P2W buddies

You're probably not a troll, just not very intelligent.

On a more serious note, not that this thread even deserves it, RMT or gold farming (and botting, which usually come together) needs to be handled by effective and severe punishments. If that is true, then even though it will be a never ending battle against people who break the rules, at least the people who cheat by buying/selling gold and/or botting will have to keep changing IPs, HWIDs, paying for subscriptions, etc every time they get banned.

Last but not least, P2W is when the developer sells power. If someone break the rules by buying power, that's not P2W, it's RMT and, ultimately, cheating in Ashes case.

Now, time to ostracize this topic and let it die. Thankfully Intrepid will never even consider these stupid ideas 🙏

Sengarden

Rather than suggesting Intrepid should get involved in peddling P2W in their explicitly non-P2W game, I think the preferable solution to handle gold buying is clearly to introduce a pillory system where characters found guilty of purchasing gold or gold farming are sentenced to a day in the pillory before being banned, where the local player base can throw rotten produce at their avatar. Yes...

MaiWaifu

Sengarden wrote: »

Rather than suggesting Intrepid should get involved in peddling P2W in their explicitly non-P2W game, I think the preferable solution to handle gold buying is clearly to introduce a pillory system where characters found guilty of purchasing gold or gold farming are sentenced to a day in the pillory before being banned, where the local player base can throw rotten produce at their avatar. Yes...

Yeah, should re-introduce very visible ban hammers and punishments like the original Guild Wars had.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxvmb8HbA4s

Reaper comes in and cleaves for the perma bans.

ogre

Being able to buy tokens and sell them for gold is absolutely pants on head silly

. The game is effectively pay to win at that point, like retail WoW, GW2, RuneScape, etc…pls no…

Halae

ogre wrote: »

Being able to buy tokens and sell them for gold is absolutely pants on head silly . The game is effectively pay to win at that point, like retail WoW, GW2, RuneScape, etc…pls no…

Point of order, GW2 is neither pay to win nor reliant on a token system. It's definitely got kinda crappy monetization, but it doesn't sell victory as part of the cash shop.

Dolyem

MaiWaifu wrote: »

Sengarden wrote: »

Rather than suggesting Intrepid should get involved in peddling P2W in their explicitly non-P2W game, I think the preferable solution to handle gold buying is clearly to introduce a pillory system where characters found guilty of purchasing gold or gold farming are sentenced to a day in the pillory before being banned, where the local player base can throw rotten produce at their avatar. Yes...

Yeah, should re-introduce very visible ban hammers and punishments like the original Guild Wars had.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxvmb8HbA4s

Reaper comes in and cleaves for the perma bans.

This is the sort of GM content I want to see

daveywavey

MaiWaifu wrote: »

Sengarden wrote: »

Rather than suggesting Intrepid should get involved in peddling P2W in their explicitly non-P2W game, I think the preferable solution to handle gold buying is clearly to introduce a pillory system where characters found guilty of purchasing gold or gold farming are sentenced to a day in the pillory before being banned, where the local player base can throw rotten produce at their avatar. Yes...

Yeah, should re-introduce very visible ban hammers and punishments like the original Guild Wars had.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxvmb8HbA4s

Reaper comes in and cleaves for the perma bans.

Hahahaha, fab. What a game that was!

beapo

No there shouldn't be sub tokens and there is also no good reason why there should be something like that in the game.

Enthused

Not a bad idea really. It works well for WoW.

Depraved

Liniker wrote: »

can you explain why on private servers - where there is actual GMs - gold sellers are banned on a daily basis and RMT is substantially low? do they have some sort of magical powers or is it just because companies don't give a fuck about banning RMT?

If intrepid actually tries, as they say they will, the game will be just fine, other companies don't even try, and that misleads people thinking it's impossible to ban bots and RMT - when it's actually really easy.

believe it or not, rmt in p servers is huge. and you can even low key pay the server owner to unban ur bots if u get banned...
p servers open their servers to make money.

PherPhur

Halae wrote: »

ogre wrote: »

Being able to buy tokens and sell them for gold is absolutely pants on head silly . The game is effectively pay to win at that point, like retail WoW, GW2, RuneScape, etc…pls no…

Point of order, GW2 is neither pay to win nor reliant on a token system. It's definitely got kinda crappy monetization, but it doesn't sell victory as part of the cash shop.

Pay to win usually refers to the ability to buy any in game object/skill/boost/mechanic change that gives someone any amount of progression. Basically being able to buy anything inside the game.

Cosmetic skins are considered on the scale of pay to win, but the most of the community tolerates it for the most part.

GW2 is extremely pay to win if by win you mean progress past someone playing the game normally(reasonable). Some people consider P2W only P2W if it gives someone a competitive edge in PvP and some consider a game only P2W if you can literally not get past a certain point without paying.

But MOST people consider pay to win as I described above.

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