Before I get too Excited, PVP\PVE by Choice?

My question is, will pvp\pve be separated? Or will this be a forced pvp game?

From some of the videos I have been watching, it looks like you will have to pvp to maintain your housing. Is this the case or will there also be pve housing that is just where you go for some buildcraft?

Is the game open world pvp too, or can you choose to do some immersive questing or relaxing gathering without being ganked? Sometimes I like the intensity of pvp but I am a much bigger fan of immersive content.

Before the hardcore types get too judgy, I like the idea of a massive world with content to suit a large population so that the MMO-world feels beyond immense. Im not sure why developers have decided to cater to one small aspect of a game when this only leads to creating a game that seems small and finite, in both what a player can do in the game and how long the game can hold players' attention spans.

I have never had long queues for WvW, Arenas, or Battlegrounds so I never understand why developers are willing to lose such a large amount of revenue from players who do not want pvp, or only want to pvp on their terms.

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Dygz

I expect it would be NPC guards, plus PC citizens.
We have in-Node housing.

Uthehoe

Very simple. Everyone who wants PVE go play FFXIV. We have no fun PVP games for mmos that rewards you for playing PVP. New world was made for PVP but everyone would toggle it off so u were stuck walking a world ceasing bosses. The game was killed because everyone just wanted to toggle PVE on and would run around. I like PVP I like the challenge of playing against something that thinks not a bot that I can glitch or manipulate there movements. I played wow on PVP servers and yes you did get grief but that was far and few between. If the guy would not leave I would call two buddies to come kill him or I would log for an hour and come back. Work the problem and respect what the game is for and that is simply to encourage people to knock heads together.

WHIT3ROS3

Uthehoe wrote: »

Very simple. Everyone who wants PVE go play FFXIV. We have no fun PVP games for mmos that rewards you for playing PVP.

If there is one approach that gives PvP players a toxic reputation, it's this one. Why is it, that for some PvP players, it's not enough to just enjoy PVP, they also have to shit upon people who enjoy quality PvE content?

Uthehoe wrote: »

We have no fun PVP games for mmos that rewards you for playing PVP.

I have over 3000 hours in Albion Online. A full loot, PVP MMORP which directly rewards you for playing PvP. So when you say there are no games like this, it's demonstrably not true. Perhaps you should give it a try?

It is curious reading the various replies. Many seem to have a very clear idea of what PvP means in Ashes, so much so, that they feel they are in a position to tell others that the game "isn't for them" when nobody actually knows the definitive details yet.

Seems that some have created what they want the game to be in their heads and are now gatekeeping their own interpretation. Which is... bold.

I love PVP, but I also love PVE. I know this might shatter the delusions of a few, but these two things are not (and shouldn't be) mutually exclusive.

IMO, There should be "safe zones" and spaces that allow for a gradual introduction to open-world PvP. Items that can be dropped on death should have a trash rate, that increases exponentially relative to the number of assists on a kill. To counter Zerg-style ganking squads.

To answer the OP directly. It seems like the direction currently is to have the ability to engage in solo PvE-type content, but... as the rewards increase, so do the risks.

Warth

Its not the community gate keeping out of their own interpretation.
Intrepid has been very clear regarding the goals for the game in regards to forced PvP.
It will happen. PvP is part of the core design. Intertwined with all the other systems.

The matter of fact is, that, when playing the game

there more than likely will be times when you are forced to participate in pvp
there more than likely will be times where you lose things you have worked for
there more than likely will be times where you get killed by another player.

As such, the game simply isn't meant for players who perceive the possibility of non-consensual PvP as a complete deal breaker. Neither is it meant for players who want a rust-style murderbox or those that do not want the possibility of losing stuff. Telling those people, that this might not be the type of game they are interested in is no different than telling a person that doesn't like Shooter, that a Shooter probably isn't something he would enjoy. Not every game can be interesting for everybody. That's just how it is.. On the other hand telling people (who by the their own description, perceive some of the core design principles as deal breakers) that "everything will be fine" does a disservice to them. Giving them false expectations from the game isn't helpful. It might even be hurtful.

Intrepid wrote:

We're very clear with our objective and philosophy on the game and we understand that they may not appeal to everybody. But you know it is an important reciprocal relationship between the content that's related to PvE and the content that's related to PvP and they feed off of each other. They're catalysts for change: Their progression, their development. It's things that people can value when they see something earned and they see something lost. That elicits an emotional response from the player: That they've invested time in to either succeed or fail; and PvP allows for that element to be introduced into gameplay. And we're very clear that is our objective: That risk versus reward relationship, that achievement-based mentality. Not everybody's going to be a winner and that's okay.[8] – Steven Sharif

Intrepid wrote:

Ashes is a comprehensive game. It is not a PvP focused or a PvE focused, it is a comprehensive PvX game and as a result these systems are all interconnected and have to coexist with one another with certain types of mechanisms that can provide that give and take, that push and shove.[2] – Steven Sharif

Intrepid wrote:

We like to really refer to ourselves as a PvX game, because in those systems of PvP, PvE, crafting they're all intertwined: They're interdependent on each other... Our system of development really requires some interdependence there between those things. – Steven Sharif

Those are just a few of the quotes. Dozens more elaborating, that the design might not be for everybody can be found on the wiki.

daveywavey

WHIT3ROS3 wrote: »

I love PVP, but I also love PVE. I know this might shatter the delusions of a few, but these two things are not (and shouldn't be) mutually exclusive.

Absolutely. That's why this is a PvX game.

WHIT3ROS3

daveywavey wrote: »

WHIT3ROS3 wrote: »

I love PVP, but I also love PVE. I know this might shatter the delusions of a few, but these two things are not (and shouldn't be) mutually exclusive.

Absolutely. That's why this is a PvX game.

Indeed. This is why I find the "If you like PVE go elsewhere" attitude to be problematic. The game aims to have both. Which is great.

Warth wrote: »

On the other hand telling people (who by the their own description, perceive some of the core design principles as deal breakers) that "everything will be fine" does a disservice to them.

Just as well nobody has said that then...

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