[WWYD] Ganking a Player...

Vaknar

😈 What a glorious day for ganking!

👀 You are on the prowl, and notice an unsuspecting player chopping trees. #WWYD?

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PherPhur

Nosreme wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

Nosreme wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

If people get upset over the aspect of ganking in a promotion for a PvX game, then they are probably in denial of the fact that PvP is just as much of a part of this game as PvE.

Its not, actually. And structured pvp is one thing. Open world griefers ganking ppl for pleasure is entirely different.

Which, I suppose, is why they're making it so clear now. When they use the word 'ganking' outright, in a way that it will be at the top of the discussion forum, it's almost explicitly meant to open a dialogue with you and players of the same perspective, even if indirectly.

Why would you pass on it? Is there any level of discouragement/punishment for the ganker (let's say me and one partner, in this case) that would make you willing to play anyway?

Because I've been there, done that, and when you open that door, you open a pandoras box of griefing thats generally unfun. I'll wait to see how corruption works, but I doubt it'll be a deterant for anyone. Steven has stated publicly that this game will not contain pvping griefing but we'll see when the game launches. There's a reason 90% of wow players are not on pvp servers.

Also, are they making it clear? It seems more uncertain than ever.

Being a person who gathers goods for a guild in WoW(or any MMO i'm aware of) is... well.. lets not sugar coat it, pretty much worthless.

In AoC they will always be highly relevant and a very much needed part of the guilds progression. It would very much behoove them to make sure you are geared properly and protected, especially if someone is out ganking.

This shouldn't be like anything you've experienced before.

PherPhur

Nosreme wrote: »

Well that's fine. Nobody will force you to play a game that you don't enjoy. However there will be plenty of people who do enjoy it.

I'm guessing "plenty" won't nearly be enough, but that's just my assessment.

If this game comes with what it's said so far, has a few of the things the community has fleshed out, and has the netcode to back everything up, it will be the biggest MMO since Vanilla WoW, there's almost no doubt about that.

Vaccine

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

Well done. 4 plus years of Steven telling the community that Ashes won't be a gankbox to be undone by one tweet.

I spot the redditor

Vaccine

Nosreme wrote: »

I hope the game doesnt have open world free ganking. The vast majority of players dont want this. If the game launches with open world pvp, a lot of people inc myself will pass.

I strongly disagree. There's not a lot of harm in getting ganked as long as you're non-combatant.

Wyldheart

Vaknar wrote: »

😈 What a glorious day for ganking!

👀 You are on the prowl, and notice an unsuspecting player chopping trees. #WWYD?
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What would *I* do? I would let him go about his day; but, should he need a rez after a gank, my healing services are for sale.

TheClimbTo1

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

TheClimbTo1 wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

AlfaKrqll wrote: »

But i have three questions that i really want an answer too:
First can people make an gank alt and just Alt-f4 if hes about to be revenged and wait until night to logg in and wait out his corruption?
Second: can gankers go and take out people at there homestead or are this in an instanced world (i have tried to look this up, but i did not find an answer).
Third: are there systems in the game that can unite players to find corrupted players, like a bounty hunter system or a guild protected zone area that can show where people need help.

First:
I don't see why you wouldn't be able to log in and out when you want to. Forcing a player to stay logged in until they run off their corruption would be rather heavy-handed.

Second:
"Safe zones

Players cannot PvP while inside (the footprint of)[1] a freehold (except following a successful node siege).[2][3]
Players are not able to be attacked or robbed while occupying their player stall inside the limits of a node.[4]"
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Safe_zones

Third:
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Bounty_hunters

*edited to add the Safe Zones link

I don't think you stay locked in... I think Corruption Clock only runs when you are actually on (so you can't just log out to dodge it and not face consequences for actions).

I don't understand your use of "corruption clock" here. It doesn't tick down over time. It has to either be reduced through deaths, incurring exp debt, or ground off by gaining exp. You won't just be hiding somewhere waiting for it to go away. And the separate mechanic of your "murder count" can only be reduced by completing the relevant quests.

Just a way of saying you can't cheese it by logging off, waiting, and logging back on.

Virtek

I would probably stalk up as close as I could, then drop something big and scary next to them!
Not to gank them, but to have fun startling them and keep them on their toes....

THEN be misunderstood and shot down like that poor soul in black

IsisRED

After playing games that involve systems where being flagged for pvp even as a gatherer increased loot luck by X percentage, you learn most people don't gank farmers. But in the event that they do, it helps that you kept your loot. Now if this game makes it where they can sit on your corpse with your farmed mats to wait for you, it does make it somewhat annoying. But the systems in place will make it harder to gank in certain zones.
If this was me, I'm likely to walk slowly into their view and do a dance emote with them :P

Warth

Nosreme wrote: »

I hope the game doesnt have open world free ganking. The vast majority of players dont want this. If the game launches with open world pvp, a lot of people inc myself will pass.

It already us confirmed to have non-consensual OW PvP possibilities.

Good luck with the Riot MMO

Scarbeus

daveywavey wrote: »

Players cannot PvP while inside (the footprint of)[1] a freehold (except following a successful node siege).[2][3]
Players are not able to be attacked or robbed while occupying their player stall inside the limits of a node.[4][/i]"
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Safe_zones

I was quite surprised reading this, I just assumed a town in itself was a safe zone. Not sure how I feel about that as it may make things a bit too chaotic. I guess we'll see, if it works then keep it.

Ironhope

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Dygz

IsisRED wrote: »

Now if this game makes it where they can sit on your corpse with your farmed mats to wait for you, it does make it somewhat annoying. But the systems in place will make it harder to gank in certain zones.

Ashes doesn't have corpses.

daveywavey

Dygz wrote: »

IsisRED wrote: »

Now if this game makes it where they can sit on your corpse with your farmed mats to wait for you, it does make it somewhat annoying. But the systems in place will make it harder to gank in certain zones.

Ashes doesn't have corpses.

We're all going to be tea-bagging piles of ashes. Won't look quite as effective, but the ashes themselves might provide a pleasing sensation...

Scarbeus

daveywavey wrote: »

the ashes themselves might provide a pleasing sensation...

Dat ash?

Volgaris

Gathering hot spots can be dangerous, should probably have a plan when you go there. I'd only attack if the rewards were good or to protect the node/guild/teams interests. It'll be fun to see how the devs balance it though. I remember playing Age of Conan, the play base was just bipolar (like most player bases), one hour everyone would be peacefully questing, the next everyone was purging each other. It made for some fun times though. AA was better by far than Conan, and any others can think of atm. I hope Ashes makes it even better.

Balfazar

WWYD: Use the unsuspecting player to catch a bigger fish

Dolyem

daveywavey wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

IsisRED wrote: »

Now if this game makes it where they can sit on your corpse with your farmed mats to wait for you, it does make it somewhat annoying. But the systems in place will make it harder to gank in certain zones.

Ashes doesn't have corpses.

We're all going to be tea-bagging piles of ashes. Won't look quite as effective, but the ashes themselves might provide a pleasing sensation...

I am making a meme of this, thank you

Sedare

Is there actual stealth play in the game? I'm totally new to Ashes of Creation and stealth play is a big part of what I love. I ran stealth squads (mixture of scouts, assassins, and thieves) in Shadowbane and run a Nightblade guild in ESO. Without being a griefer, I see a good niche for a guild of mercs who assassinate, cause chaos against townships, and either protect or raid caravans then blend back into the shadows.

Asraiel

Vaknar wrote: »

😈 What a glorious day for ganking!
👀 You are on the prowl, and notice an unsuspecting player chopping trees. #WWYD?

i personaly would leave him alone and doesnt care.
if i would be the one chopping the tree and i would be attacked out of suprise (i know the corruption system tells me if he kills me, with me not defending againt him means he will be marked as a red player) but in realety the majority of peoples do acct instinctively and protect or fight back with then ofent due to not be prepairde useing the worng skills and sealing your death. and since you attacked back you became pvp marked and the attacked doesnt get punished for killing you. you end up dead with rised up adrenalin in your veins, cursing those gankers and take a break or even ragequit for the time beeing.

jep steven the projekct openener and head of intrepid loves pvp mmo-rpgs however it does matter where you from and where you play in japan those who wants to pvp dont attack pve players only those that sing ingame for pvp. in eu peoples love pve and those who does pvp are mostly overpowerd to their target and gank and are proud to have beaten a pve player. usa shure is also diffrent to eu or japan. in eu i would say in every mmo-rpg only about 1% is up for pvp, for raids maybe 50% but about 30% of those in raids only participate for the loot and are more focused on horde vs horde where the skill and gear of the single player doesnt matter much.

while whriting came the question you can select if aoe hits other players or not but what if you get attacked and you dont want to hit the other player and your aoes are unlocked or what if they are locked and you want do dmg to the attacking player. does you first have to open a menu to switch the option withe standing around and getting attacked without you moveing or what?

Hatham

I would leave the gatherer -> but if he turned to attack then i'd flag or run depeneding on what near.

I do feel like this adds weight to the worries that a lot people seem to have about pvp (gankbox scenario) - especially with the green losing a huge chunk of mats to the attacker that feels like a penalty for not being flagged.

- there could be a time where the gatherer gets 1 shot or hit by a mob and killed before even being able to flag up - the attacker gets corrupted but the player still lost everything(mats)

- or even get attacked by a group and poached - this is also a possibility and a worrying one too *players abuse the loot from greens by killing them before they can flag up regardless of corruption* -> i get that there are situations where this self correcting by having bounty hunters and everything but it is a worry.

The problem is it sounds like it will be safer to run around flagged as a gatherer then green. I am for pvp but i don't like the idea of forced flag because its a lesser penalty should i get super unlucky.

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