Issue with Pre-Order Pack Cosmetics

The price is the price. If you don't like it don't pay and just wait for the release and pay the sub.

Though I'm expecting the cosmetic prices on the store will remain at this level since its industry standard at the moment.

Iirc 375 if for all the cosmetics and all the other stuff, so with 125 being the cosmetics price, the wall is 250. And out of those 250 it's mostly gametime and embers, with 3 keys that I think are about $30-50 each.

Cosmetics are never tangible. Cosmetics are always priced at however greedy the studio is. The fomo is always subjective, so yes, subjectively it could be seen as a terrible way to monetize support of the game.

I personally couldn't give fewer shits about these cosmetics and when I do buy the alpha2 access - I'll be paying for the keys and gametime, because cosmetics are useless to me. So in a way I'd even say that those who pay $250+, but don't care about cosmetics, are paying more than those who feel fomo about some pixels.

This system is even more unfair than I previously thought!! /s

CROW3 wrote: »

Then don’t buy it. 🤷‍♂️

Judeth wrote: »

The argument of, "if you don't like it, don't buy it", has never made sense to me. It's like a form of monetary gate keeping, and something people only say when they don't care about where their money is going. A poor argument that doesn't get either side anywhere.

Nothing against you Crow. I did point this out in my post though, and I do believe this is worth an actual discussion about, for the sake of the game.

Reclusiarc

Judeth wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

Then don’t buy it. 🤷‍♂️

Judeth wrote: »

The argument of, "if you don't like it, don't buy it", has never made sense to me. It's like a form of monetary gate keeping, and something people only say when they don't care about where their money is going. A poor argument that doesn't get either side anywhere.

Nothing against you Crow. I did point this out in my post though, and I do believe this is worth an actual discussion about, for the sake of the game.

Do you say the same thing about expensive clothes, designer bags, sports cars and other items? If you don't want to spend on it then don't spend on it - trust that the company has made the decision that they have the ability to charge these prices and still make money.

It's not gatekeeping in any sense, you will still be able to obtain similar items in the game, as long as you are prepared to pay the sub fee.

Dygz

I was happy to fund the kickstarter to support the development of features I want to play in an MMORPG.
Great investment - especially since by 2019 some of my friends have joined the dev team.
Even if Ashes of Creation never releases, I want to support these devs working on creating the systems I want so that it's easier for them to implement them in future games they work on.

It's great to give IS some extra cash - especially since the development schedule is twice what Steven initially expected. And I at least have been able to play in the game world for Apocalypse and for Alpha 1.

Maybe you should just wait until Alpha 2 is about to open before you purchase a pack.
If you're that concerned about never being able to play or never be able to use the cosmetics you purchased.

Judeth wrote: »

Nothing against you Crow. I did point this out in my post though, and I do believe this is worth an actual discussion about, for the sake of the game.

The main "problem" here (though it's not really) is that this has been discussed every other month for the past several years. I'd even imagine it has been discussed since the very beginning of this development. Nothing has changed in that time and nothing will change. The prices are as they are because of kickstarter prices and the cosmetics are as they are because Steven likes them that way (it's a collector thing).

So while we're all free to discuss this for the 100th times, we're also as free to say that the 101st time won't change shit.

CROW3

Judeth wrote: »

The argument of, "if you don't like it, don't buy it", has never made sense to me. It's like a form of monetary gate keeping, and something people only say when they don't care about where their money is going. A poor argument that doesn't get either side anywhere.

All good, @Judeth. But just because it ‘doesn’t make sense to you’, doesn’t mean ppl ‘don’t care where their money is going.’ It just doesn’t make sense to you - and that’s ok - it’s your money.

This isn’t a novel discussion, even for this month; it’s just new to you. 🤗

NiKr wrote: »

Iirc 375 if for all the cosmetics and all the other stuff, so with 125 being the cosmetics price, the wall is 250. And out of those 250 it's mostly gametime and embers, with 3 keys that I think are about $30-50 each.

Cosmetics are never tangible. Cosmetics are always priced at however greedy the studio is. The fomo is always subjective, so yes, subjectively it could be seen as a terrible way to monetize support of the game.

I personally couldn't give fewer shits about these cosmetics and when I do buy the alpha2 access - I'll be paying for the keys and gametime, because cosmetics are useless to me. So in a way I'd even say that those who pay $250+, but don't care about cosmetics, are paying more than those who feel fomo about some pixels.

This system is even more unfair than I previously thought!! /s

Good point.

For me personally I care, because part of the reason for me wanting to purchase the pre-order pack is for the cosmetics. Since I like to have rare things.
I think the price point they have them at currently would make more sense if they weren't locked behind having to purchase a pre-order pack.

I originally planned on purchasing the key and the following cosmetic packs. I think now I'll end up just purchasing a key.

Honestly, I'd even side with not having the monthly cosmetic packs at all. I just hope they won't over shadow in-game cosmetics. That flows into another debate though.

Dygz wrote: »

I was happy to fund the kickstarter to support the development of features I want to play in an MMORPG.
Great investment - especially since by 2019 some of my friends have joined the dev team.
Even if Ashes of Creation never releases, I want to support these devs working on creating the systems I want so that it's easier for them to implement them in future games they work on.

It's great to give IS some extra cash - especially since the development schedule is twice what Steven initially expected. And I at least have been able to play in the game world for Apocalypse and for Alpha 1.

Maybe you should just wait until Alpha 2 is about to open before you purchase a pack.
If you're that concerned about never being able to play or never be able to use the cosmetics you purchased.

Oh, I'm not concerned with not being able to play. I actually do believe in this game.

My concern lies in the price point they charge for the cosmetics. As I've said, the prices would make more sense if the cosmetics weren't locked behind purchasing a pre-order pack.

Judeth wrote: »

My concern lies in the price point they charge for the cosmetics. As I've said, the prices would make more sense if the cosmetics weren't locked behind purchasing a pre-order pack.

I think we can all agree that the system is in no way perfect or maybe even good. You're getting fucked over on the cosmetics and I'm getting fucked over on the keys. But in the words of a mediocre meme
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KpXsfimrkFo

CROW3 wrote: »

Judeth wrote: »

The argument of, "if you don't like it, don't buy it", has never made sense to me. It's like a form of monetary gate keeping, and something people only say when they don't care about where their money is going. A poor argument that doesn't get either side anywhere.

All good, @Judeth. But just because it ‘doesn’t make sense to you’, doesn’t mean ppl ‘don’t care where their money is going.’ It just doesn’t make sense to you - and that’s ok - it’s your money.

This isn’t a novel discussion, even for this month; it’s just new to you. 🤗

You're right, I do understand this is something that is brought up often. I just found out about the cosmetic prices while getting ready to buy the pre-order pack today, and it made me want to discuss it and post my thoughts.

Natasha wrote: »

Honestly, I don't see any need for this and it just comes across and immature and uncivil. The forums are for discussions and debate. Trying to make fun of anyone for their financial status is simply gross and looks bad.

I personally don't feel any need to validate my wealth.

If you think someone having an opposing stance on a topic such as this, automatically means they are unable to afford, then that's just a state of your character.

Judeth wrote: »

it just comes across and immature and uncivil.

I mean, that's like 80+% of Natasha's posts

NiKr wrote: »

Judeth wrote: »

it just comes across and immature and uncivil.

I mean, that's like 80+% of Natasha's posts

Touché

Judeth wrote: »

Natasha wrote: »

Honestly, I don't see any need for this and it just comes across and immature and uncivil. The forums are for discussions and debate. Trying to make fun of anyone for their financial status is simply gross and looks bad.

I personally don't feel any need to validate my wealth.

If you think someone having an opposing stance on a topic such as this, automatically means they are unable to afford, then that's just a state of your character.

Coming from the person choosing to ignore the statement from the company on why the prices are what they are, post on the forum and stamp their feet in the hope that the position of the company will change after having the set price be the same throughout all of development.

NiKr wrote: »

Judeth wrote: »

it just comes across and immature and uncivil.

I mean, that's like 80+% of Natasha's posts

See you understand me nikr.