Group Finder - but without instant teleportation and group finder with que and application

I think if AoC teams adds QoL feature to finding groups in this group finder through application and que system it would be much better then writing on chat (spamming usually because of how crowded server is - or not).

What do you think, is it good to have some QoL system to finding groups. I don't like WoW instant group que finder, but I like feature that they added later (WoW team) to que or apply to group via finder application.

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Bagger

I do get that some people wants it.. and if it's there in the way you present it, it won't be a dealbreaker to me at all... but but I rather want an ingame bulletin board if I have to pick... but I rather not. I rather want to facilitate player interaction and player dependency as much as possible and pivot in that direction.. by making a group finder in other kind, you move towards the opposite of that, and an mmo's biggest assets is the community and it's in your best interest to to facilitate organic interaction. So I'm fairly against any features like that.

Warth

Board +

Finder -

Shared board across all nodes would be fine as well (with filter function)

Mag7spy

Depraved wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

But if there is no party finder then people have to talk to people

imagine spending 2 hours in town yelling LFG when you could have been playing the game T_T

Doesn't take 2 hours to form a group, if you are having trouble you should consider joining the right guild. Spamming is part of the experience in the correct channel. Gives you a bunch of options to look for groups and join.

Mag7spy

If you choose to be a solo player refusing to join guilds or have friends and annoyed you can't find groups that is your own problem.

PherPhur

Warth wrote: »

Board +

Finder -

Shared board across all nodes would be fine as well (with filter function)

Board +
Finder -
I would not like to have it be across all nodes. I don't think there is a global or trade chat that goes across all nodes, I dont think there should be a way to communicate across all nodes in mass. Gotta have PMs, but apart from that I think they should be separated.

I like the idea of nodes being these separate places where different cultures emerge. Where you have to visit the city yourself or hear it from another person what's going on over there.

Warth

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

Warth wrote: »

Board +

Finder -

Shared board across all nodes would be fine as well (with filter function)

Board +
Finder -
I would not like to have it be across all nodes. I don't think there is a global or trade chat that goes across all nodes, I dont think there should be a way to communicate across all nodes in mass. Gotta have PMs, but apart from that I think they should be separated.

I like the idea of nodes being these separate places where different cultures emerge. Where you have to visit the city yourself or hear it from another person what's going on over there.

I'm sorry, I worded it incorrectly. All connected nodes under the same Metropolis umbrella. Like a regional bulletin board, as many nodes close to each other would share the same content.
Each Node having their complete separate one would just lead to increased inconvenience, longer search times for no added benefit at all.

If you don't connect those bulletin boards, you might very well not have any at all, as everybody will just use discord instead to make up for the QoL.

tautau

I prefer the idea of a bulletin board being just that...a single location where your character must walk into the tavern or town hall and look at it. Not a craigslist, not a discussion board like this but rather a physical board.

That way you meet people in the tavern, you make friends in the node. You interact. The taverns become necessary to visit, the nodes become populated, they become real places.

Sure, it is ok to yell in an area chat "Tank LFG about level 23ish" and see if anyone yells back, but it would be more efficient to go into the tavern and see who all is gathering in there and eating the meals to get buffed, making plans, telling jokes and stories and playing the games of chance.

Depraved

Mag7spy wrote: »

If you choose to be a solo player refusing to join guilds or have friends and annoyed you can't find groups that is your own problem.

its even worse with guildies cuz u cant kick em out

Ludullu

Depraved wrote: »

its even worse with guildies cuz u cant kick em out

If you're partying up with guildies with whom you can't play - that's either a bad guild or a bad choice of guildies. Both seem to be a you problem, rather than the guild's. If you dislike all those people - you should find a better-suited guild.

Jownz

I liked the old Classic Aion Group finder tool. Anyone remember that one ?

FuryBladeborne

Leukael wrote: »

Thought that my circle came up with that I like is a group finder feature based in the tavern.

So you go to a tavern and post something on the board in the tavern or outside it. It is only active while you're in the tavern but you receive apps from the same people who go to the tavern and use the board as well.

I like this idea because it gives players a reason to go to the tavern AND there's supposedly going to be games and a way to get a rested buff at the tavern so it creates a great synergy.

This is in the plan for Ashes."Bulletin boards""Encourage localized grouping."

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Taverns#Chat_bubbles

Sathrago

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

Warth wrote: »

Board +

Finder -

Shared board across all nodes would be fine as well (with filter function)

Board +
Finder -
I would not like to have it be across all nodes. I don't think there is a global or trade chat that goes across all nodes, I dont think there should be a way to communicate across all nodes in mass. Gotta have PMs, but apart from that I think they should be separated.

I like the idea of nodes being these separate places where different cultures emerge. Where you have to visit the city yourself or hear it from another person what's going on over there.

Would you be accepting of a middle ground? What if adjacent nodes shared listings? Basically this promotes travel, increases the pool of potential parties to join, but is still limited to a reasonable degree.

To give an example of how this would work, here's a quick paint creation.

Songcaller

Some nodes will all attach to a dungeon. Like a dungeon will be in a localised area. Hence the PvX or competition factor. If the 'group finder' spanned more than one node it is effectively PvE and not PvX because there would be group members from all competing nodes in each 'Group' thus pvp would be messed up.

Sathrago

Neurath wrote: »

Some nodes will all attach to a dungeon. Like a dungeon will be in a localised area. Hence the PvX or competition factor. If the 'group finder' spanned more than one node it is effectively PvE and not PvX because there would be group members from all competing nodes in each 'Group' thus pvp would be messed up.

I disagree. Not everyone will have chosen a node they are farming in to be a citizen. I fully expect players to roam outside of their main node to explore newly discovered dungeons, quests, and farming spots. This does not take any choice away from players looking to fight over said hypothetical dungeon.

Scarbeus

I like the idea of a tavern LFG board, as long as you stay in the tavern your advert stays there. It also makes it a lot easier for people to find others for the same dungeon or quest. To keep player to player contact just don't make it so you click a button on the board and they get invited, make it so you click a button and then "/tell [their name]" appears in chat so you know who to talk to then you have to ask them if they want to come with you.

elucve

I would also dislike an automatic party finder tool. It would make forming quality and strong party compositions so easy. Part of clearing a hard dungeon and getting the loot should be the ability to form a decent party... Clearing dungeons shouldn't be hard only because mobs are strong. Knowledge of the game, party formation should have a level of difficulty and be complimented when someone sees you with a rare dungeon drop.

Songcaller

Sathrago wrote: »

I disagree. Not everyone will have chosen a node they are farming in to be a citizen. I fully expect players to roam outside of their main node to explore newly discovered dungeons, quests, and farming spots. This does not take any choice away from players looking to fight over said hypothetical dungeon.

I don't doubt everyone won't be a citizen...yet, you want to create group finders to cover multiple nodes? It doesn't make sense. Travelling players will enter the nodes and join groups anyway. Why would they need multiple places to join the exact same groups? Just because one is not a citizen does not mean one does not have preferences over who one wants to fight alongside.

The issue is not hypothetical. You can't attack citizens from your own nodes (you could but then you'd find it difficult to get into groups without a group finder) and some nodes will cover other nodes. I can see the use when a metro is operational, but, why do you want to limit the systems under a metro law system without the metro?

Sathrago

Neurath wrote: »

Sathrago wrote: »

I disagree. Not everyone will have chosen a node they are farming in to be a citizen. I fully expect players to roam outside of their main node to explore newly discovered dungeons, quests, and farming spots. This does not take any choice away from players looking to fight over said hypothetical dungeon.

I don't doubt everyone won't be a citizen...yet, you want to create group finders to cover multiple nodes? It doesn't make sense. Travelling players will enter the nodes and join groups anyway. Why would they need multiple places to join the exact same groups? Just because one is not a citizen does not mean one does not have preferences over who one wants to fight alongside.

The issue is not hypothetical. You can't attack citizens from your own nodes (you could but then you'd find it difficult to get into groups without a group finder) and some nodes will cover other nodes. I can see the use when a metro is operational, but, why do you want to limit the systems under a metro law system without the metro?

Perhaps it wasnt super clear what I meant by listings. What I meant, is adjacent nodes would show the listings for groups. You would only be able to join if you sign up at the node of origin. What this does is give players more information to choose from when they are deciding where to go for questing. Additionally this allows players to whisper the party leader of such a listed group and tell them they are on the way or something like that. Theres also the competitive side of things, maybe you look on your call board and find out a group is headed to farm a valuable spot and you want to go kill them for their loot.

I really dont understand how this would restrict or harm players when all this does is give them more choice.

Songcaller

Okay. I think I understand your position. However, there won't just be one tavern in each node...I assume these taverns will all show the listings in question for an individual node. You'd be looking at thousands of listings if all of the multiple taverns from multiple nodes all link into the same system.

The difficulty i have right now is the fact I haven't seen the current taverns in operation. I can't tell you how close I have to be to a tavern to access the node events. I can't even tell you if all the taverns in one node will be connected in the way you have expressed.

I'm not against the system out of hand. We won't have global chat for example. We do need some method of group construction. The more I explore the systems the more I feel the systems just aren't fit for purpose. We often have one foot in and one foot out. In my mind mind, I would run with similar groups or people for the group efforts (because grinding is railed against by IS and others).

Thus, I don't see the use for anything of actual substance. More often than not, people will just stand outside dungeons like in other MMOs and groups will be formed by explorers who happen upon the same dungeons. I agree we will also have groups formed from local nodes who turn up too, yet, it might not be the fastest way or best way to enter these group activities.

Guilds will be able to mobilise much faster in my opinion.

Savic Prosperity

FuryBladeborne wrote: »

Leukael wrote: »

Thought that my circle came up with that I like is a group finder feature based in the tavern.

So you go to a tavern and post something on the board in the tavern or outside it. It is only active while you're in the tavern but you receive apps from the same people who go to the tavern and use the board as well.

I like this idea because it gives players a reason to go to the tavern AND there's supposedly going to be games and a way to get a rested buff at the tavern so it creates a great synergy.

This is in the plan for Ashes."Bulletin boards""Encourage localized grouping."

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Taverns#Chat_bubbles

aha its good to see cause i like the idea of the hangout spot being the tavern for grouping up for activities rather than a dungeon entrance

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