Class/Archetype Character Progression

Active Skills are not tied to the weapons and every Primary Archetype has a conjured weapon Active Skill, like Javelin, Castigation and "Hammer Strike".
In addition to "Hammer Strike", Fighter also has Active Skills like Rush and probably the spin.
In addition to stat buffs, weapons also have Weapon Skills unique to each weapon.

George_Black wrote: »

In AoC we have been told that there wont be active abilities tied to weapons. One reason may be the difficulty of creating so many animations.
We have also been told that all archetypes can equip any gear.

In A1, we had abilities tied to weapons and shields(though they might have removed this restriction). This kind of stuff gets easier every day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZkkVKZ64Ns

After re-reading what i quoted, i realize what i quoted isn't as relevant to my response as other stuff you mentioned. You are right that they don't want restrictions on what attacks a weapon can do but weapons will still be part of the animations, at least from what we have seen.

Bullvinne

Savic wrote: »

reading this just makes me buzz with wanting more info on classes lol

Me too

mcstackerson wrote: »

You are right that they don't want restrictions on what attacks a weapon can do but that doesn't mean they won't have ability animations that don't use the weapon.

For these 2 are very bad.

George_Black wrote: »

mcstackerson wrote: »

You are right that they don't want restrictions on what attacks a weapon can do but that doesn't mean they won't have ability animations that don't use the weapon.

For this is a very bad thing.

Can't tell if you are making fun of my triple negative or have a reason for not liking ability that use weapons in the animations?

I think I read smthg wrong.
For me, abilities that dont have slightly different animations to accomodate the different weapons/arm stances, is a sign of bad design or bad prioritazation of development focus areas.

I think all of those in the video are Active Skills; not Weapon Skills.

To be clear, so far weapon skills in AoC are just passive abilities that may trigger due to conditions AND stat modifications.
Nothing active.

George_Black wrote: »

To be clear, so far weapon skills in AoC are just passive abilities that may trigger due to conditions AND stat modifications.
Nothing active.

While this is true when it comes to weapon progression, classes that focus on melee have skills that use their melee weapons, just like how ranger is going to have skills that use bows.

How would a spear fighter/fighter be different to a dualsword fighter/fighter, and how would these two be different to a greatsword fighter/fighter?

A different playstyle is expected to be visually recognizable. Different values on the character stat tab isnt good enough for a videogame.

There is no real difference between a fighter/fighter using the showcased tornade spin ability with daggers and one using a greatsword.
If, for example, the only difference is that if equiped with daggers you have a chance to inflict bleed and if equiped with a greatsword you bypass 3% of the targets armor, people will be dissapointed.

https://youtu.be/t3LydR8VssY

Spears have different attacks than a Greatsword. Just as Daggers have different attacks than a Greatsword.
Neither the Spear nor the Dagger will be leaving those cleave marks in the ground.
Spears won’t be doing the Dagger slashes.

You can’t tell the difference between the Weapon attacks and the Active Skills in the Alpha Two Basic Melee Weapon Attacks demo??
Expect to see more Weapon Combos in future demos.
These are just the basic combos - not the advanced combos.
Hence, the title of the demo.

George_Black wrote: »

How would a spear fighter/fighter be different to a dualsword fighter/fighter, and how would these two be different to a greatsword fighter/fighter?

A different playstyle is expected to be visually recognizable. Different values on the character stat tab isnt good enough for a videogame.

There is no real difference between a fighter/fighter using the showcased tornade spin ability with daggers and one using a greatsword.
If, for example, the only difference is that if equiped with daggers you have a chance to inflict bleed and if equiped with a greatsword you bypass 3% of the targets armor, people will be dissapointed.

I'm with you on wanting different animations for these different weapons. My reason for talking against you is you mentioned ESO's method of handling this problem by not including the weapons in the class ability
animations at all. I'd rather the awkwardness of some weapons share animations in the beginning as they build the game than them avoid weapon animations entirely.

George_Black wrote: »

I am afraid that weapons will just be stat modifiers with unique normal (auto/light) attack animations and that classes....

@Dygz When I wrote the above, where exactly did you get confused? Why are you linking me known material and known facts? Why are you always stating the obvious, even in cases like this, in which people already make a mention of the features in the shown videos?

"Daggers and spears wont leave ground marks"

ffs what does that have to do with anything regarding distinct gameplay. Is this your idea of distinct gameplay? The decals? You are always so irrelevant. Posting things that are not needed.

The world is not all about you.
You are not the only person who reads my posts...even when I am replying to your posts.

I have no clue what you mean by "distinct gameplay".
The video discusses more of the differences between the weapon combos of the Greatsword and the weapon combos of the Dagger than just ground decals.

What other kinds of "distinct gameplay" are you hoping to see from basic weapon combos? How would you like a Spear combos to be more distinct from Greatsword combos? I think it's possible for you to give some examples of what you hope to see, rather than just QQing about what you don't want.

I wasn't talking about normal attacks now was I? You brought in normal attacks, the most basic form of combat into a discussion about how to achieve a sense of diversity between playstyles. As if that's a worthy benchmark.
Why would link the video? How is it relevant?
Stop talking about combos. These are the left click/Q key normal attacks. They aren't combos. They aren't abilities.
Why do people need to explain these things to you?

Asgerr

Have none of you watched the Combat update from the July livestream?

Clearly the way a dagger and greatsword function are quite different. They have different attack patterns, speeds and impact on your mobility.

Your Archetype skills don't change by weapon. Your augments change those Archetype skills in some ways.

You can spec into certain things per type of weapon. Daggers may be better at applying DoTs (bleed, slow etc). Spears will have different progressions etc.

So there's plenty of differences to be had in gameplay for each. I'm failing to see where the sudden fear that all weapons will be the same comes from all of a sudden.

Clearly to you passive stats are a playstyle. I prefer active abilities. And Im sure most people wont be happy if the differences in playstyle are not visual.
Ive said all these things alrdy. Now we go in circles.

What are "normal attacks"?
I brought up basic Weapon attacks because that's what we've seen in the demo so far.

You wrote: "I am afraid that weapons will just be stat modifiers with unique normal (auto/light) attack animations and that classes will conjure a yellow hammer or a yellow javelin or a yellow whip in order to attack.
Why? Because these abilities are one animation, no matter what weapon you hold. "

Expect Weapons to have basic attack combos and advanced attack combos.
What are some examples of an "active" weapon ability you would like to see that makes wielding a Spear signifcantly different from wielding Daggers?
You don't have to explain what you do want to see.
You can continue to just QQ about what you're afraid of if you wish.
No skin off my nose.

You only bring up stuff that we have all seen, even if they have nothing to do with the topic.