How will Guild Leading Streamers fare?

I would think that the game requires a lot of cloak and dagger so streaming will be absolutely counterproductive for any content mildly contestable.

Same for streamers in mega-guilds.

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ButtercupClover

You can put in a delay while streaming so people trying to snipe your location are 10-30 minutes behind. If it's an event that's important, it might be best to just record it instead of streaming and re-watch the VOD later on stream.

akabear

Ah.. the delay part I did not know...

Veeshan

Also ull probaly win mayor in any node that is decided via vote (Scientific nodes i beleive off my head maybe pre metropolis node too possible not sure bout that) so there that if your popular enough :P lol

Biccus

Making streaming “absolutely counterproductive” would only mean people won’t stream the game. Which I have to assume is bad for the game when events are (from what I remember) are mostly around prime time.
But in the flip side. Knowing where they will be and when they’ll be there? Could be some amazing brawls to watch, if people that just want to take them down band together.

daveywavey

Hopefully, we'll hunt them all down and punish them for it.

BaSkA_9x2

It's so strange in this day and age games need to worry if people will be able to "productively" stream a game or not.

Part of me says bitch, please, if you can't stream because of snipers, deal with it or add a 30 minute delay, nobody is forcing you to play or stream. Other part of me knows that streamers will bring a lot of players to the game, so it'd be pretty good for the game (not so good for the streamer servers).

All in all, I think that the relevant streamers will all go to the same servers and those will be a shit show, just like how it happened with WoW Classic. I wouldn't mind if Intrepid implemented a "Streamer Mode" where the game hides player names and other shit like that, but honestly that doesn't stop snipers, the streamers need to hide the map with an hotkey for a map overlay and add a delay if they actually wanna avoid snipers (which will be probably impossible in a game without teleport).

CROW3

I’m pretty tired of streamers. There was an idea a year or so ago to have a KOS indicator identifying active streamers. That seems like it would settle this issue fairly quickly.

Songcaller

Streamers create factions where no factions existed before. I have no remedy.

Dygz

You don't have to stream your entire gameplay.

LordXp

I really want big streamers to be given their own server they can all fight over. I don't want to be in a server like that. It would kill my enjoyment of the game big time.

Ludullu

LordXp wrote: »

I really want big streamers to be given their own server they can all fight over. I don't want to be in a server like that. It would kill my enjoyment of the game big time.

How different would a huge guild be from a huge streamer? Or do you intend on somehow avoiding any and all servers that will have big guilds on them too?

Strevi

NiKr wrote: »

LordXp wrote: »

I really want big streamers to be given their own server they can all fight over. I don't want to be in a server like that. It would kill my enjoyment of the game big time.

How different would a huge guild be from a huge streamer? Or do you intend on somehow avoid any and all servers that will have big guilds on them too?

Indeed, those with charisma to bring people together might have the magic to get bits too.
And Intrepid Studios want those bits too. They should start acting like a streamer maybe.

BaSkA_9x2

NiKr wrote: »

LordXp wrote: »

I really want big streamers to be given their own server they can all fight over. I don't want to be in a server like that. It would kill my enjoyment of the game big time.

How different would a huge guild be from a huge streamer?

It's very different, I don't know where you got the idea that big zerg guilds (500+ members) are comparable to what a big streamer does to a server, and by big streamers I'm talking about people with 15k viewers on a bad day. Trust me, you cannot compare that to a zerg, not at least during the first month(s) after launch.

In my experience, what happens is that something like 20%+ of the server population is in that server only because of the streamer. Wherever he goes, there will be hundreds (not an exaggeration) of people following him. It might be even called harassment, but it definitely shouldn't be against ToS to harass or stream snipe them. Some people will troll them, others will help them, but at the end of the day everyone in that area is affected. Not to mention the queues, oh baby, Faerlina will tell you.

That kind of shit happens to small streamers on games like Rust, imagine what happens on an MMO where it'll be harder to hide where you are, even with a delay. No need to imagine, classic wow and new world already showed what happens.

Want to go inside a building where the streamer is at? Too bad, because of player collision nobody will be able to enter or leave that building (one of the reasons why I think collision will need some attention, especially inside Nodes for people out of combat). Want to finish your quest of killing 10 boars? Well, if the streamer is also doing it, it'll take a couple of hours. Those are just a few examples.

Now, don't get me wrong, I don't want to be protected from streamers or from stream snipers. All you gotta do is run to the other side of the map and stay as far away from them as you can, or better yet, go to a different server.

In any case, you can rest assured @LordXp that regardless if Intrepid names "official" servers for them or not, the big streamers will all go the same server(s) and announce it, so all you gotta do is make sure you don't pick the same server as them. I do, however, expect that Intrepid will announce the names of all the servers which will be up for launch 15 days in advance, so that friends, groups and everybody else can easily choose their server, streamer or otherwise.

I will feel bad for people who unknowingly choose the same server as the big streamers, but it's never too late to move to a different one.

Strevi

@BaSkA13 good point.

Ludullu

BaSkA13 wrote: »

I will feel bad for people who unknowingly choose the same server as the big streamers, but it's never too late to move to a different one.

I've seen all the things you've described done by a single guild in L2. Literally a huge crowd of people doing the same quests/mobs/locations to optimize their gameplay. And from what I've heard there's some huge alliances of thousands of people out there. And from the pov of a single player, a group of even 100 people running around together, because they're a well-cooperated bunch, would be no different from a streamer and his posse existing on a server.

Except the streamer would most likely got no clue what he's doing or where he's going, while the guild would most likely know the best paths and would be present at all the juicy spots on the map.

But even outside of that, the world is huge and there's no TPs AND you can go wherever because at release all locations are lowlevel, so it's not like the streamer group would stop you from doing anything in the game.

In other words, that shit looks the same to me. Except cooperated huge guilds have much bigger impact on the core gameplay of the game because they're optimized out of their minds and work towards singular goals, while streamer just fucks around with a few hundred dumbasses running around them. And if a huge guild leaves a server, imo, impact of their leave would be bigger than a streamer's, even if both would definitely have an impact.

Warth

I personally would like to have Streamer Servers. I think nobody would actually be hurt by that.
If there is an official content creator/big streamer on a certain server, then people should be able to see that when hovering over it or servers with the normal rulesets, but a "Streamer" Tag, so people who want to play with them may, and people who dont want to play with them have an option to avoid it from the beginning.

Warth

NiKr wrote: »

BaSkA13 wrote: »

I will feel bad for people who unknowingly choose the same server as the big streamers, but it's never too late to move to a different one.

I've seen all the things you've described done by a single guild in L2. Literally a huge crowd of people doing the same quests/mobs/locations to optimize their gameplay. And from what I've heard there's some huge alliances of thousands of people out there. And from the pov of a single player, a group of even 100 people running around together, because they're a well-cooperated bunch, would be no different from a streamer and his posse existing on a server.

Except the streamer would most likely got no clue what he's doing or where he's going, while the guild would most likely know the best paths and would be present at all the juicy spots on the map.

But even outside of that, the world is huge and there's no TPs AND you can go wherever because at release all locations are lowlevel, so it's not like the streamer group would stop you from doing anything in the game.

In other words, that shit looks the same to me. Except cooperated huge guilds have much bigger impact on the core gameplay of the game because they're optimized out of their minds and work towards singular goals, while streamer just fucks around with a few hundred dumbasses running around them. And if a huge guild leaves a server, imo, impact of their leave would be bigger than a streamer's, even if both would definitely have an impact.

its not exactly comparable based on the fact, that a streamer can fill up the majority of a servers capacity with his own goons. Which might make the Server Stale.

Organized guilds might be very oppressive, but those cant be fought and thats content. If a major part of the server population are goons of the streamer, then the server might become stale rather quickly or even worse, die off when the streamer eventually decides to leave the game.

Ludullu

Warth wrote: »

Organized guilds might be very oppressive, but those cant be fought and thats content. If a major part of the server population are goons of the streamer, then the server might become stale rather quickly or even worse, die off when the streamer eventually decides to leave the game.

I mean, if I was a sweaty GL, I'd go to a streamer server just to be the opposition to all of his useless followers, because they're always just dudes who play for fun (with maaaybe a few % who might be grinding hardcore). As long as the game allows for a smaller group to at least be on par with a zerg - guilds will be able to oppose the streamer followers.

But yes, as I've said, when the streamer leaves the game the server will definitely feel an impact, which is why I definitely agree with the suggestion of dedicated streamer servers.

BaSkA_9x2

NiKr wrote: »

I've seen all the things you've described done by a single guild in L2. Literally a huge crowd of people doing the same quests/mobs/locations to optimize their gameplay. And from the pov of a single player, a group of even 100 people running around together, because they're a well-cooperated bunch, would be no different from a streamer and his posse existing on a server.

Many, if not most, of the stream snipers actually want to grief/troll the streamer. People won't do the same quest or kill the same mobs for optimized gameplay and to reach goals, many people will do that so that the streamer cannot finish a quest, progress in-game, level up, etc., so people in that area are probably affected more, and maybe for longer, than a zerg doing it. Single player or not, from my experience the horde brought by big streamers affects an area of the server more than an organized zerg with the goal to progress and dominate does, at least during the first month(s) after launch.

NiKr wrote: »

But even outside of that, the world is huge and there's no TPs AND you can go wherever because at release all locations are lowlevel, so it's not like the streamer group would stop you from doing anything in the game.

Exactly because there's no TPs once the streamer is found, it's over. Again, there's not only the "streamer group", I'm not worried about the "streamer guild", my intention was never to even worry about what the streamer guild will or won't do, that's fine and no different from a zerg. What I'm talking about is the "anti-streamer horde", that's what's problematic. And yes, I understand that if you can't level up on Node X because of a streamer you can just move to Node Y 5 minutes away, but I never said that streamers would stop you from doing anything. I even said that if you see what's happening you should move away as far as possible from it, I only stated that until you move away, you're fucked.

NiKr wrote: »

...while streamer just fucks around with a few hundred dumbasses running around them. And if a huge guild leaves a server, imo, impact of their leave would be bigger than a streamer's, even if both would definitely have an impact.

I also believe that when a big guild leaves a server it's more impactful than when streamers move to the next hyped game, I never said it wasn't. You're just underestimating the effect of one big streamer to a single server, much less 10 (or more) of them.

If you can't or don't want to see the difference it's fine brother, nothing either of us say will change the shitshow that will happen, but Intrepid definitely needs to experiment with player collision inside Nodes.

Cheers

Mag7spy

LordXp wrote: »

I really want big streamers to be given their own server they can all fight over. I don't want to be in a server like that. It would kill my enjoyment of the game big time.

That is why you need to research streamers servers at launch and avoid them, it normally is pretty easy as a list will be posted up people make. Did that for my new world guild and worked pretty well knowing our choices and avoided crazy que times.

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