[Suggestion & Discussion] Hair Growth - Immersion & RP

Hello everyone, Deathwept here! Hope this post finds you well. I wanted to suggest, as well as discuss hair growth in Ashes of Creation!

Let’s start will a question, will there be hair growth in the game? (And what do I mean when asking this?)

In RDR2 this was one of the most immersive elements I’ve seen in a game ever, along with hygiene/visual weathering of the MC.

Especially with the amount of customization that’s available in the creation suite of ashes, I think it would be so cool and immersive to see your hair, be it facial or on your head grow through out your journey as you play.

Imagine being on a long journey, travel, hunt, campaign, or voyage and seeing your hair style and beard style get more exaggerated as it changes in length as you negate to keep it well kept while other, more important tasks are at hand. Picture arriving a port, and your friends as well as strangers can visual tell you’ve been on a long journey. “Man, you’ve seen better days haven’t ya?”

What maybe even harder would be seeing your braids come undone over time or even have them grow naturally along the way as well. But if there’s one team or game I think would be capable of doing this in would intrepid/ashes.

Whether you could trim yourself using a knife, configure** this at a mirror or have a npc that does it for (and further adding a money sink, maintenance to the average character.) I would find this so beloved and immersive.

Personally I believe some of the smallest details, and story crafting happen progressively in the smallest ways to your character. And I would love the team to take advantage of that with this suggestion!

Feel free to share your thoughts and feelings on this topic, and maybe share some stories you’ve created for yourself in games through this type of immersion!

Footnote: while I know many would enjoy this feature, often times a more casual player may say, “what if I just want a static character? I don’t want to have to constantly keep up my characters appearance or waste my time with this type of element.” And fair enough! Some times simplicity needs to take precedent especially since this might require far greater resources and time than I can imagine. But I find it a worthy one! (Also if the system is in place maybe it could be toggle-able? or even regions of the face/head could be toggled to simulate a race or character that might not grow facial hair in the areas that are in the creation suite. Who knows! But I just wanted to add this to also convey I understand the prospective from different players and the dev position if this suggestion/request isn’t viable.

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Dygz

You could go to a barber and adjust your hair length in the Character Creator.

Chime

As much as I love immersion within a game, I don't want to have to worry about getting a haircut while I'm out in the world. Over time I sometimes adjust the hairstyle to represent time passing but I like choosing that- not it being forced on me.

BaSkA_9x2

I'm not sure about hair growing automatically, but I definitely hope you're able to go to a barber and change your hairstyle whenever you want. I also wouldn't mind being able to go to a witch and changing tattoos, earrings and maybe even height, skin color, etc. Options and variety are the keywords.

Sapiverenus

@Chime

Real life must be suffering for you lmao

It's a good idea @Deathwept

daveywavey

Honestly, I'd see this as more of a chore than anything else.

Deathwept

Sapiverenus wrote: »

@Chime

Real life must be suffering for you lmao

It's a good idea @Deathwept

Thank you @Sapiverenus! I thought more people would enjoy the idea, but clearly even if it were toggle-able most are finding it as maintenance. To me, I don’t find it anymore time consuming/can be included in the gameplay loop of armor degradation. As you become more battle/war-torn your armor and body start to show it.

Especially with this game having a strong focus on time focused changes in the world, I’m surprised that others don’t want to see themselves change with world. Oh well. Gotta keep dreamin’!

Aerlana

daveywavey wrote: »

Honestly, I'd see this as more of a chore than anything else.

as often with gameplay/mechanics ideas to have a game more "realist"

Hinotori

Sapiverenus wrote: »

@Chime

Real life must be suffering for you lmao

It is. That's why nobody makes it out alive.

Deathwept

Natasha wrote: »

Sapiverenus wrote: »

@Chime

Real life must be suffering for you lmao

It is. That's why nobody makes it out alive.

It’s great to see there might be other players to have more philosophical conversations with. 😂 or comical at the very least!

Chime

*gasp* I was insulted online, whatever will I do?

TheDarkSorcerer

I'm gonna pass on this... Getting a haircut weekly/biweekly in real life is already a chore. I'd rather have the option to change my hair in-game WHEN I FEEL LIKE IT. Don't want to be forced to keep myself groomed in-game. I just wanna play and enjoy the beautiful game.

Mag7spy

No this is a terrible idea. I want to play a PvX game not live in a simulator and have feature creep.

GrandHarfang

Hobo simulator

Deathwept

Mag7spy wrote: »

No this is a terrible idea. I want to play a PvX game not live in a simulator and have feature creep.

Yes, because hair growth equals simulator and feature creep. The idea doesn’t need to be implemented, but it’s not terrible. The Ashes team frequently talks about immersion, world building, and RP opportunities. This wouldn’t be exactly outside their wheel house.

Mag7spy

Deathwept wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

No this is a terrible idea. I want to play a PvX game not live in a simulator and have feature creep.

Yes, because hair growth equals simulator and feature creep. The idea doesn’t need to be implemented, but it’s not terrible. The Ashes team frequently talks about immersion, world building, and RP opportunities. This wouldn’t be exactly outside their wheel house.

This is a terrible idea we dont need 100 chores in a mmorpg game this isn't RL. Growing hair has nothing to do with rp and needing to cut it ever week. Now if you change your character and add longer hair and rp it that is all fine for you.

Deathwept

Mag7spy wrote: »

Deathwept wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

No this is a terrible idea. I want to play a PvX game not live in a simulator and have feature creep.

Yes, because hair growth equals simulator and feature creep. The idea doesn’t need to be implemented, but it’s not terrible. The Ashes team frequently talks about immersion, world building, and RP opportunities. This wouldn’t be exactly outside their wheel house.

This is a terrible idea we dont need 100 chores in a mmorpg game this isn't RL. Growing hair has nothing to do with rp and needing to cut it ever week. Now if you change your character and add longer hair and rp it that is all fine for you.

You aired the idea of PVP servers with full loot which completely against this games design, and completely opposed to Steven’s design philosophy. Not sure you’d be the guy I’d look for to describe what a terrible idea is…

As stated in the post it could even be toggle-able, and I even included ideas to satisfy the casual, objective to objective players as well. Which based on most responses no one read that far.

Also what many deem as “chores” are what many people call immersion. In your perspective there would be no point in animating characters eating or drinking food, because it would just be a chore and waste of time to wait a few seconds to watch your character eat or drink because you could just click the item and instantly reap the benefit.

You also clearly don’t understand RP or even RP elements, nor what makes games immersive. So I’d urge you to study some design philosophy. Because games without it are boring and fail. (Which are two things I think Ashes will not be nor do.)

Any opposed or don’t like the idea/feature is completely valid to feel that way and was welcomed. But I don’t accept your claim that this is terrible idea.

Mag7spy

Deathwept wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Deathwept wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

No this is a terrible idea. I want to play a PvX game not live in a simulator and have feature creep.

Yes, because hair growth equals simulator and feature creep. The idea doesn’t need to be implemented, but it’s not terrible. The Ashes team frequently talks about immersion, world building, and RP opportunities. This wouldn’t be exactly outside their wheel house.

This is a terrible idea we dont need 100 chores in a mmorpg game this isn't RL. Growing hair has nothing to do with rp and needing to cut it ever week. Now if you change your character and add longer hair and rp it that is all fine for you.

You aired the idea of PVP servers with full loot which completely against this games design, and completely opposed to Steven’s design philosophy. Not sure you’d be the guy I’d look for to describe what a terrible idea is…

As stated in the post it could even be toggle-able, and I even included ideas to satisfy the casual, objective to objective players as well. Which based on most responses no one read that far.

Also what many deem as “chores” are what many people call immersion. In your perspective there would be no point in animating characters eating or drinking food, because it would just be a chore and waste of time to wait a few seconds to watch your character eat or drink because you could just click the item and instantly reap the benefit.

You also clearly don’t understand RP or even RP elements, nor what makes games immersive. So I’d urge you to study some design philosophy. Because games without it are boring and fail. (Which are two things I think Ashes will not be nor do.)

Any opposed or don’t like the idea/feature is completely valid to feel that way and was welcomed. But I don’t accept your claim that this is terrible idea.

You are the guy that doesn't read a post and reads a headline. You are definitely not someone id ever take ideas from since you can't even read the post. Thought that was 101 on a forum, the reading part.

I understand rp and that is not a feature that needs to be added that is a waste of time when they have 1000 other things they are working on so we have a game.

I understand rp very well, its about a story, and growing hair frankly doesn't add anything to rp nor is yuor beard or hair grow going to be the focus of a rp. Unless you as a rper bring notice to it in how you interact and "roleplay" with people. Which the system its you want is a complete gimmick and any real rper will simply change their character appearance and bring notice to it through rp with a group that vibes with that.

Again i know plenty on rp, and generic hair growth is not adding to any roleplay story.

Again it is a terrible idea, next you will want to be tripping nails, automatic age growth, etc. If you are a rper you will simply change your character and rp it.

Deathwept

Mag7spy wrote: »

Deathwept wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Deathwept wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

No this is a terrible idea. I want to play a PvX game not live in a simulator and have feature creep.

Yes, because hair growth equals simulator and feature creep. The idea doesn’t need to be implemented, but it’s not terrible. The Ashes team frequently talks about immersion, world building, and RP opportunities. This wouldn’t be exactly outside their wheel house.

This is a terrible idea we dont need 100 chores in a mmorpg game this isn't RL. Growing hair has nothing to do with rp and needing to cut it ever week. Now if you change your character and add longer hair and rp it that is all fine for you.

You aired the idea of PVP servers with full loot which completely against this games design, and completely opposed to Steven’s design philosophy. Not sure you’d be the guy I’d look for to describe what a terrible idea is…

As stated in the post it could even be toggle-able, and I even included ideas to satisfy the casual, objective to objective players as well. Which based on most responses no one read that far.

Also what many deem as “chores” are what many people call immersion. In your perspective there would be no point in animating characters eating or drinking food, because it would just be a chore and waste of time to wait a few seconds to watch your character eat or drink because you could just click the item and instantly reap the benefit.

You also clearly don’t understand RP or even RP elements, nor what makes games immersive. So I’d urge you to study some design philosophy. Because games without it are boring and fail. (Which are two things I think Ashes will not be nor do.)

Any opposed or don’t like the idea/feature is completely valid to feel that way and was welcomed. But I don’t accept your claim that this is terrible idea.

You are the guy that doesn't read a post and reads a headline. You are definitely not someone id ever take ideas from since you can't even read the post. Thought that was 101 on a forum, the reading part.

I understand rp and that is not a feature that needs to be added that is a waste of time when they have 1000 other things they are working on so we have a game.

I understand rp very well, its about a story, and growing hair frankly doesn't add anything to rp nor is yuor beard or hair grow going to be the focus of a rp. Unless you as a rper bring notice to it in how you interact and "roleplay" with people. Which the system its you want is a complete gimmick and any real rper will simply change their character appearance and bring notice to it through rp with a group that vibes with that.

Again i know plenty on rp, and generic hair growth is not adding to any roleplay story.

Again it is a terrible idea, next you will want to be tripping nails, automatic age growth, etc. If you are a rper you will simply change your character and rp it.

I have no interest any of the ideas you suggested I would. I’m not an RPer in its truest since. I’m a fan of simple immersion. But based on your response you have furthered my point of knowing about game design philosophy, immersion, or RP. But seemingly you’re a troll at best, so I won’t dedicate anymore time to responding to you. Would much rather have an actual conversation, especially with someone that has some standard for the word terrible.

Mag7spy

Deathwept wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Deathwept wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Deathwept wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

No this is a terrible idea. I want to play a PvX game not live in a simulator and have feature creep.

Yes, because hair growth equals simulator and feature creep. The idea doesn’t need to be implemented, but it’s not terrible. The Ashes team frequently talks about immersion, world building, and RP opportunities. This wouldn’t be exactly outside their wheel house.

This is a terrible idea we dont need 100 chores in a mmorpg game this isn't RL. Growing hair has nothing to do with rp and needing to cut it ever week. Now if you change your character and add longer hair and rp it that is all fine for you.

You aired the idea of PVP servers with full loot which completely against this games design, and completely opposed to Steven’s design philosophy. Not sure you’d be the guy I’d look for to describe what a terrible idea is…

As stated in the post it could even be toggle-able, and I even included ideas to satisfy the casual, objective to objective players as well. Which based on most responses no one read that far.

Also what many deem as “chores” are what many people call immersion. In your perspective there would be no point in animating characters eating or drinking food, because it would just be a chore and waste of time to wait a few seconds to watch your character eat or drink because you could just click the item and instantly reap the benefit.

You also clearly don’t understand RP or even RP elements, nor what makes games immersive. So I’d urge you to study some design philosophy. Because games without it are boring and fail. (Which are two things I think Ashes will not be nor do.)

Any opposed or don’t like the idea/feature is completely valid to feel that way and was welcomed. But I don’t accept your claim that this is terrible idea.

You are the guy that doesn't read a post and reads a headline. You are definitely not someone id ever take ideas from since you can't even read the post. Thought that was 101 on a forum, the reading part.

I understand rp and that is not a feature that needs to be added that is a waste of time when they have 1000 other things they are working on so we have a game.

I understand rp very well, its about a story, and growing hair frankly doesn't add anything to rp nor is yuor beard or hair grow going to be the focus of a rp. Unless you as a rper bring notice to it in how you interact and "roleplay" with people. Which the system its you want is a complete gimmick and any real rper will simply change their character appearance and bring notice to it through rp with a group that vibes with that.

Again i know plenty on rp, and generic hair growth is not adding to any roleplay story.

Again it is a terrible idea, next you will want to be tripping nails, automatic age growth, etc. If you are a rper you will simply change your character and rp it.

I have no interest any of the ideas you suggested I would. I’m not an RPer in its truest since. I’m a fan of simple immersion. But based on your response you have furthered my point of knowing about game design philosophy, immersion, or RP. But seemingly you’re a troll at best, so I won’t dedicate anymore time to responding to you. Would much rather have an actual conversation, especially with someone that has some standard for the word terrible.

When you call someone a troll and talk crap without reading a post. I simply feel your idea is terrible for reasons stated Extra features not needed the fact it would be toggle shows its a much smaller player base, doesn't actually create more immersion it is more akin to a chore it is simply longer hair or a beard, it be better to want or use more customization into he game to adjust your character, this hair growth has nothing to do with game design, doesn't add to roleplay as roleplaying is what really brings emphasis like writing a post on it with your group.

I have standards and worst terms I can use if I feel something is even more bad. It is my opinion on what I feel is bad and you are simply getting emotional over hair growth...

prymortal

Immersion features are nice & all. But RP features should be discouraged, Seen first hand in FFXIV & BDO how RP'ers ruin a MMO & the servers ability to do content.

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