Request for Ranger Showcase Stream

I'd like to see how the abilities/weapon attacks function between tab and action. Like be clear on ''this is how this ability works in tab mode, now if i switch to action mode this is how it works in action. (if implemented)

Maybe talk a little bit about the possible benefits of action over tab (i know hard cc is supposed to be action) but if there is more like increased range/damage or such. (possibly aiming your ranged weapon attacks/projectile abilities for more risk/reward)

Also what direction you are going with action combat at the moment (some streams back it was mentioned the abilities might change from tab to action or be completely separate)

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Mag7spy

I want to know if you can kite and attacking people in tab without camera facing them and running for sprint. Going to be very curious how things go out, though I'm hoping for more action side as skill based gameplay is always better.

CROW3

I think Steven mentioned covering the Ranger in September in the last livestream.

https://youtu.be/4XLJelgfO3g

Caww

Ranger Down !!!

(I had to get that out of my system... carry on)

Taleof2Cities

@CROW3 is right.

It’s being planned for the September Livestream.

I wouldn’t set your expectations high on a deep dive of tab target versus action combat ... the game is still in Alpha.

Dummo

He knows the ranger showcase is coming up, he's requesting this to be in it.

Liniker

For sure, please @StevenSharif trow us a bone and make a good "show and tell" for this livestream 🙏 with a lot of tell on what you are specifically doing during the gameplay, the attacks between tab and action, the skills, maybe toss in some other melee weapons and show the ranger using them as well with his skills, and don't worry about making a long video

Jahlon

Mayhem wrote: »

I'd like to see how the abilities/weapon attacks function between tab and action. Like be clear on ''this is how this ability works in tab mode, now if i switch to action mode this is how it works in action. (if implemented)

Maybe talk a little bit about the possible benefits of action over tab (i know hard cc is supposed to be action) but if there is more like increased range/damage or such. (possibly aiming your ranged weapon attacks/projectile abilities for more risk/reward)

Also what direction you are going with action combat at the moment (some streams back it was mentioned the abilities might change from tab to action or be completely separate)

100% absolutely this

Learn from the melee showcase mistake and make sure to clearly show and tell the combat.

CROW3

Hm... I think three things up front.

1. What's the direction for bow combat: action (draw and fire ala ESO/Skyrim) or tab (ala WoW and NWO)?
2. What planned unique utility skills will Rangers have that contribute to a group (in both PvE and PvP)?
3. Rangers tend to be the most adept in wilderness settings, what are the plans for anything particularly interesting for environmental interactions (e.g. tracking, camouflage, etc)?

Liniker

bumping this post to boost the chances on Steven reading it 👀

Strevi

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

@CROW3 is right.

It’s being planned for the September Livestream.

I wouldn’t set your expectations high on a deep dive of tab target versus action combat ... the game is still in Alpha.

Even being in Alpha, concepts should be defined now. Changing back and forth adds delays.

LordPax

CROW3 wrote: »

Hm... I think three things up front.

1. What's the direction for bow combat: action (draw and fire ala ESO/Skyrim) or tab (ala WoW and NWO)?
2. What planned unique utility skills will Rangers have that contribute to a group (in both PvE and PvP)?
3. Rangers tend to be the most adept in wilderness settings, what are the plans for anything particularly interesting for environmental interactions (e.g. tracking, camouflage, etc)?

I second all of these points, but would like to add one more of my own:
4. How will the Ranger class use a "pet", if at all, and how will it differ than other classes using 'battle pets'?

LordPax

Oh, yeah:

5. How will "ammo" work? Just bundles of arrows on you at all times?

Sathrago

LordPax wrote: »

Oh, yeah:

5. How will "ammo" work? Just bundles of arrows on you at all times?

as long as ammo is weightless, has it's own slot, and isnt tedious to "reload" then I'm fine with it.

Alternatively you could go the new world route and have ammo be a damage increase on top of an otherwise infinite baseline ammo. So you dont need ammo to function but it still has value as a higher damage consumable option.

Mag7spy

Mayhem wrote: »

I'd like to see how the abilities/weapon attacks function between tab and action. Like be clear on ''this is how this ability works in tab mode, now if i switch to action mode this is how it works in action. (if implemented)

Maybe talk a little bit about the possible benefits of action over tab (i know hard cc is supposed to be action) but if there is more like increased range/damage or such. (possibly aiming your ranged weapon attacks/projectile abilities for more risk/reward)

Also what direction you are going with action combat at the moment (some streams back it was mentioned the abilities might change from tab to action or be completely separate)

100% agree with this, need to know balance as it will determined if people think action is obsolete if tab has all the damage and benefits with 0 draw backs. By default skill being needed should mean there are benefits for action depending on how the skill works.

Ie long distance shot you need to aim compared to if there was a same kind of skill that was tab for long distance where it automatically curves and always hits the target.

akabear

Items I would like to know

Will range matter (stronger if at range, weaker if close)
Will elevation matter (ie greater range from castle wall, or up a hill)
Will arrows be an item you need supply for
Will there be boosts/poisons etc
If range does matter, will there be close combat skills
Will there be tracking

Strevi

akabear wrote: »

Items I would like to know
Will range matter (stronger if at range, weaker if close)

Will elevation matter (ie greater range from castle wall, or up a hill)

Will arrows be an item you need supply for

Will there be boosts/poisons etc

If range does matter, will there be close combat skills

Will there be tracking

If I craft and sell the arrows, I'll be sure they also break and cannot be retrieved, so that I can sell more of them.

Sengarden

Strevi wrote: »

Even being in Alpha, concepts should be defined now. Changing back and forth adds delays.

I’d argue that’s exactly what they’re avoiding by not being concrete about it yet. If they pick one now while the mechanics and class kits are half-baked, they might end up changing it later. But if they develop it all while remaining fluid and uncommitted to exact execution details surrounding tab vs action, then the combat being fun will take precedence and the way it’s executed will naturally come along as they go.

Strevi

Sengarden wrote: »

Strevi wrote: »

Even being in Alpha, concepts should be defined now. Changing back and forth adds delays.

I’d argue that’s exactly what they’re avoiding by not being concrete about it yet. If they pick one now while the mechanics and class kits are half-baked, they might end up changing it later. But if they develop it all while remaining fluid and uncommitted to exact execution details surrounding tab vs action, then the combat being fun will take precedence and the way it’s executed will naturally come along as they go.

So you say they may go full tab target or full action combat?
Edit:
You are right, keeping freedom to change is OK. I just hope they think well and decide before beta and not wait to get player feedbak that late. Beta feels somewhat late for this kind of mechanic in my opinion. Some players will pull toward tab target others toward action... I'd rather see the players prepared than having a surprise

Azherae

Strevi wrote: »

Sengarden wrote: »

Strevi wrote: »

Even being in Alpha, concepts should be defined now. Changing back and forth adds delays.

I’d argue that’s exactly what they’re avoiding by not being concrete about it yet. If they pick one now while the mechanics and class kits are half-baked, they might end up changing it later. But if they develop it all while remaining fluid and uncommitted to exact execution details surrounding tab vs action, then the combat being fun will take precedence and the way it’s executed will naturally come along as they go.

So you say they may go full tab target or full action combat?

We MIGHT be past the point where the decision was coming up, now, but it was noted a few years ago that if Action Combat had issues, then Full Tab Target was the fallback.

We have heard no similar possibility for full action, as far as we know not even the most dedicated Action Combat player will likely be able to have zero 'Tab Target' skills, though considering how the reticle works as of now, they might just 'work like Action' in many situations anyway.

Strevi

Full Tab target feels too old style to me.
I hope they mix them well to allow an action feel too.

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