DPS Meter Megathread

Just because your argument's dogshit doesn't mean it's being strawmanned lol they were ALREADY MADE OF STRAW

It's too vague because you're bad at it. get good or let others 'excel' because they are, you and ohters aren't.

False, really good at it actually. The combat rewards my skill in that department enough, and its biologically impossible to have enough "feeling" to get clear dps numbers when there are a lot of factors to take into account. So, I don't need to sacrifice the very feedback neccessary to reward my theory crafting skill for some additional vague "feeling" that I can have rewarded in the actual combat system itself.

Basic feedback' = rough numbers.

False, rough isnt good enough, especially when there is no legitimate reason not to have that precision info accessible. You are punishing skilled theory crafting for no reason.

@Ace1234

BIOLOGICALLY IMPOSSIBLE:
1. SENSE OF TIME
2. GOOD SENSE OF DAMGE OUTPUT

I'm sure you're great at it now let others enjoy the basic feedback they can use and others can't.

I'm sure you're amazing at multi-tasking, execution, et cetera and don't need help to meta-game hence why you argue in whatever way you think will get you trackers.

Biologically Impossible

Hostile Architecture:

1. Lack of Tracker
2. Lack of Logs
3. Combat a Bot can't braindead clear
4. Lack of very precise feedback a computer can easily crunch through with braindead monkey analysis

https://youtu.be/vZh_FRxaO7k

5:12

Why aren't nerds good at sports? Because they're lazy.

Why do Ace1234 and Noaani want trackers? Probably botters makin' $$$ and lazy.

@Sapiverenus

How dense are you???

Yes you can get a general idea of rough numbers through good senses and feeling and experience. But its not exact. Its biologically impossoble to freaking get an exact number at all times by just "feeling it". Thats the point. Do you know how rediculous that sounds to act like thats good enough? For a "general idea" of course you can feel that but thats not good enough.
For skilled theory crafting to be more rewarded it needs to be exact. The combat system is designed to reward your timing and feeling. Your build is supposed to reward your theory crafting, which is best rewarded with precision feedback. Why do you want to punish theory crafting? You dont think you can compete with good theory crafters? Yes of course your "feeling" and "sense of timing" should be rewarded, and it is through combat. They are separate systems for rewarding separate skills. Stop taking my statements out of context and ignoring key components of my arguments. I thought you were better than that in that regard. Its making me lose respect and not want to engage.

How OCD and scab peelling are you that you need a precise number to play a game, git gud, and enjoy it?
How nerdrage ya gotta be to not get better at figuring out what you're doing?

Why do Ace1234 and Noaani want trackers? Probably botters makin' $$$ and lazy.

Your entire doctrine of how a way to measure your results affects gameplay is flawed, which leads you to this conclusion.

I come to this very conclusion for yourself advocating against a way of measuring precision feedback. We both want the same thing, you misunderstand that your way is what leads to what you don't want.

I also said several times I dont want to track enemy data, I only support tracking your own data for precision feedback.

Why do you think theorycrafting number crunching is good gameplay and everyone wants you to crack the code?

Literally anyone can copy your build lmao. Just see who is winning and copy them. Easy as that.
You simply don't want to play the game and just crunch numbers.

How about rewarding the Mage and the group that brings a Mage along when you need Magic Sense to tell what health % the stone golems are at.

You don't give 2 shits about a good game being made lmao. Get real

We do not want the same thing. At all. Trying to change approach? LMAO

Make it easy for botters and anyone with the capacity to MAKE AN ALT to metagame. . . for easier botting, easier exploitation of weak dev design for your 'moment'. got it got it

Why do you think theorycrafting number crunching is good gameplay and everyone wants you to crack the code?

Literally anyone can copy your build lmao. Just see who is winning and copy them. Easy as that.
You simply don't want to play the game and just crunch numbers.

How about rewarding the Mage and the group that brings a Mage along when you need Magic Sense to tell what health % the stone golems are at.

You don't give 2 shits about a good game being made lmao. Get real

Thats so wrong on so many levels. I did explain why but you have yet to actually address my points instead of repeating yourself and saying "get real". How about you get real. You arent convincing in any way. I countered every point you said so far and you have countered 0 of mine. You are just throwing a tantrum and accusing me of being a botter, because you cant accept that I am winning the argument.

I don't need to convince a botter of anything. no point.
keep countering. epic gamer style

With a dash of victimhood because a lack of numbers is punishment

I wonder if you'd be advocating for this shit if every bit of weak design got patched within 12 hours. . ... LOL

Why do you think theorycrafting number crunching is good gameplay and everyone wants you to crack the code?

Not everyone wants to, some people do and thats the point of having builds to begin with, to reward that skill. Your skills that you so desire to be rewarded is what the combat system is for. Stop trying to blurr the lines between what should be rewarded by which gameplay systems.

Its not "number crunching" you sound like a moron because I said like 7 different times that the system should be in-depth and complex enough that "number crunching" and trial and error should be way less efficient than being intelligent enough to theory craft good builds. You still have that "number crunching" approach no mattet what system you have because people will grind mobs until they figure out what their dps is, its just way more tedious than just giving you that info so you know if your build is good or not.

You don't give 2 shits about a good game being made lmao. Get real

I explained how it could improve gameplay for everyone involved if it is designed right. I think your way leads to worse gameplay so gEt ReAl

"stop blurring categories so I can't easily manipulate them with dumb arguments and simple analysis in-game, and instead have to just play the game and git gud without the nerdgachi"

yeah sure I won't worry about mmo mechanics in an mmo sure thing who cares about build or progression but number crunchers you're right I definitely want all those number crunchers in the game looking for exploits especially when devs are slow af to patch or tune anything you are SO RIGHT GUY. YOU MAKE SO MUCH SENSE.

lol

don't misrepresent me and you either.
lines not gonna blur there.

"stop blurring categories so I can't easily manipulate them with dumb arguments and simple analysis in-game, and instead have to just play the game and git gud without the nerdgachi"

Yea soo dumb.. yet you are avoidant of actually addressing but a single one of my agruments in its entirety. You have no reasonable argument to begin with other than insulting and accusations. You have offered nothing of value to the convo, so clearly you don't even know why you feel the way you do, just another subjective feeling based argument to be dismissed.

Yeah sure I won't worry about mmo mechanics in an mmo sure thing who cares about build or progression but number crunchers you're right I definitely want all those number crunchers in the game looking for exploits especially when devs are slow af to patch or tune anything you are SO RIGHT GUY. YOU MAKE SO MUCH SENSE.

There can be "number crunching" in any system, theory crafting and number crunching are 2 different things. I already stated simple number crunching should be discouraged over theory-crafting, which can happen in both yours and my ideas. Except that mine offers more reward to the actual theory crafters who enjoy that type of skill, which is the skill that is supposed to be rewarded by that particular game system to begin with.

No I dont want the gameplay to be "who can number crunch first then have stale gameplay because the hardest part is over and wr can all copy each other and not have fun". You are being a moron by acting like I advocate for that. I sant the exact opposite of that, but you fail to have any kind of reading comprehension to understand how I am saying it should work and why it would work even better at encouraging the type of gameplay both you and I want.

I am done talking about it if you have no intelligent response to the actual points that were made. If you want to troll then don't expect me to respect your opinion if you aren't even capable of supporting it yourself.