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Ace1234

@Sapiverenus

You're right that I'm not arguing very well.

I'm a great communicator though. Deal with it.

All I heard from that is "I just want to be the edgy boy who sounds like they are enlightened, so since you make too much sense I have to derail the convo before people realize I don't actually know what I am talking about"

Sapiverenus

For transparency's sake I'll let yall know I won 5th place at a Math competition for Mental Math.

Yes it was number crunching. There were only 7 participants though. lol

Sapiverenus

@Ace1234
Go back to pokemon

Ace1234

@Sapiverenus

Go back to pokemon

Soooo intellectual, really winning people over to your side with those points bub.

Sapiverenus

RECAP of Ace1234:

Rhythm and Pacing is Biologically Impossible.
Victimhood.
Doesn't care what reality is.
Bots are OK
Wants to metagame as hard as possible to (they hope) trivialize the difficulty.

Thank you for playing.

Sapiverenus

Ace1234 wrote: »

@Sapiverenus

Go back to pokemon

Soooo intellectual, really winning people over to your side with those points bub.

Having a spine is its own reward.

Ace1234

@Sapiverenus

Recap of sappy boy

Does an entirely wrong recap of what I actual said for some attention, so he can show his mum how much of an edgelord he is on game forum in the hopes she gives him extra suck from her teet.

Sapiverenus

@Ace1234
next time you fight for or against a game design choice make sure it's actually good instead of based on your brain's library of useless exposition you generated playing other shit.

Sapiverenus

@Ace1234
I'm curious if you could actually convey what you want in a few points by misrepresenting me.

Can you?

edit. . .
or do you agree with everything I'm saying and can't for the life of you find what's wrong with anything I've said?

Ludullu

Sapiverenus

@NiKr
We're Hawai'an

island life

Ace1234

@Sapiverenus

next time you fight for or against a game design choice make sure it's actually good instead of based on your brain's library of useless exposition you generated playing other shit.

Yea cuz rsther than addressing the merit of an idea lets use a logical fallacy to discredit it cuz you have no counter argument. Really impressive your so objective and smart.

I'm curious if you could actually convey what you want in a few points by misrepresenting me.
Can you?

This question doesn't even make sense, my god you can't even ask a basic question so how can I expect you to adress legitimate points that require some thought.

Sapiverenus

You mean you are too arrogant, elitist and egotistical to boil something down to a few points that respects other's time and energy and broaches communication?

Jesus no shit man!

maybe you're an mmo dev!

Sapiverenus

And it's clear you lack any sort of comprehension since you don't even understand the simple question I asked.

Or do you? And know you can't do it? Of course you can't do it.
How often do you tell these little lies to protect yourself?

Ace1234

@Sapiverenus
I have done that out of respect several times over, because unlike you I seek solutions and resolutions rather than to stir up drama and controversy. The only reason you need to "sum things up" is because you blatantly ignored every major argument I made and resorted to insults and accusations.

You have your "summed up points" in my intial arguments, and in my responses to your (and I use this very loosely) """counter-points"""" So reference them as you see fit or if you want further clarification or to actually address reasoning used then feel free to ask. Until then I am done with your lame trolling good night.

Sapiverenus

Do it by misrepresenting me. Show me how stupid I sound the way I did a recap for you
Show me what your points are by misrepresenting me. It's not difficult to comprehend what the task is.

Noaani

MrPockets wrote: »

Things I do NOT want:
worrying about where the game stores my log files

installing random 3rd party software to obtain said logs

worrying more about optimizing my build/rotation instead of playing the game

players gatekeeping based on meta game information.

I'd like to very quickly go over this list in relation to a game having combat trackers.

Your first point - log files. The server will store a log of literally everything in the game, this is kind of necessary.

As to client side, even if Intrepid opted to fully support third party trackers, the game would only generate a log file for you if you commanded the client to do so. If you do not tell it to do so it will not generate that log file.

To your second point, if a player wants a log file, it should be in plain text, in a simple *.txt file. This means you would be able to open up the file and read through, should you want. The idea that a log file could be in anything other than plain text is somewhat foreign to me.

To your third point, this tends to be something people either concern themselves with, or dont concern themselves with. If you find you put time in to this in other games, you will put time in to it in Ashes as well - regardless of the state of trackers.

To your fourth point, players gatekeeper because they can, not because of data. If a player that is a bit of a dick is abke to gatekeep in a zone, why would not having any data suddenly stop that person from doing so?

But I also acknowledge that some people enjoy analyzing data, and I am fine with the top 1% playing that way. The reason I don't want IS to open the flood gates with a first party tracker (or explicitly allow 3rd party trackers) is because I believe that pushes more of the population into this weird state of thinking these trackers make them better players because their number is higher than the other guy's.

I dont see the presence of trackers increasing the number of people that analyze the game.

I mean, Excel exists.

Sapiverenus

If you can't do it with less than half the words you used to reply to me a minute ago "there are deeper issues to deal with" lmao

Noaani

Sapiverenus wrote: »

The entire point is 'limited information is good'

No, the entire point is "more information is good".

Thing is, we are both right. This is a preference thing.

If you want to play the game with limited info, I fully support you in that. You absolutely should be able to do so - if that is what you want.

However, those that want more info should also have the right to play the game their way.

I mean, in terms of info players have access to, it is literally a UI option.

Sapiverenus

I'm not opening those Noaani

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