Be really honest with what was shown yesterday about the Ranger.

Hot opinions are sometimes not so good or sometimes very good.
It's been a day to meditate on what was shown yesterday in the monthly update.

What is your honest opinion about the Alpha Two Basic Ranged Weapon Attack Update?

For my part I think Intrepid has a correct vision of what it wants to do (that very important), the Ranger combat was very fluid, very constant, with a lot of potential for movement, vision, repositioning in attack or defense, it was not a crazy combat that can not be controlled but it was shown as something more fluid, controllable, a good start for that class.

However I also felt in some moments the lack of explosiveness that the Action can give to a class as explosive and fast as the Ranger.

https://youtu.be/8VGI6rn57F8?t=407
At times I felt the AoC Ranger was more assertive but a bit slower in his movements.

By this I don't mean that AoC's combat should look like BDO's, not at all, if AoC has a direction and is sure of it, it should go ahead because I want AoC to be AoC, to grow and improve as it sees fit and not be a copy of something else but be an improvement of itself that is inspired by many things.

Conclusion:
It's a good start for the Ranger, I felt good to see her especially in the fluidity of her combat and I understand that not even 40% of the Ranger's capabilities, moves and combat style has been shown, so I'll wait to have a clear perspective of the Ranger when Intrepid has improved those details that the Ranger lacks. .

A big thanks to the Intrepid developers for the effort to create something that they believe in and keep striving to improve it, thank you very much for your effort, passion and dedication.

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Lullabae

Asgerr wrote: »

Lullabae wrote: »

Asgerr wrote: »

Lullabae wrote: »

Asgerr wrote: »

I think the best middle point for all to be happy would be as follow:

- Basic attack = tab targeted
- Skills (Snipe, Aerial Assault, templated attacks) = must be aimed in action camera mode

This way you keep a basic tab target core and still have some (or all) stronger skills requiring some level of mouse dexterity.

So you want a game with aimed camera action mode for basically everything?

There you are : https://www.ea.com/en-gb/games/apex-legends

In some obscure words we call it “FPS”.

This boggles my mind, especially since I'm in the camp of Tab target mostly, but I do find that some action camera aiming would be cool.

You really don’t need to write that much when your entire message is summarised in this quote.

And no I disagree.

Yet I say it once more, there are plenty of games that fulfil perfectly your wish, so go ahead, try Fortnite.

It ain’t that bad.

Here’s the download link : https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/en-US/download

De nada.

So again, tell me how I'm saying that I want the combat to be a full FPS?

I quote myself,

Lullabae wrote: »

Asgerr wrote: »

I think the best middle point for all to be happy would be as follow:

- Basic attack = tab targeted
- Skills (Snipe, Aerial Assault, templated attacks) = must be aimed in action camera mode

This way you keep a basic tab target core and still have some (or all) stronger skills requiring some level of mouse dexterity.

In some obscure words we call it “FPS”.

It’s called sarcasm, you clearly missed the point, took it on the face value and then started your big speech here as if it was your cover letter.

And yet no matter what you said, we will always disagree each other, I disagree with your second point here,

Asgerr wrote: »

I think the best middle point for all to be happy would be as follow:

- Basic attack = tab targeted
- Skills (Snipe, Aerial Assault, templated attacks) = must be aimed in action camera mode

Claiming everybody will be happy with your statement.

Which is terribly wrong by the way.

So move on, and keep your point of view for yourself along with few of people that agree with you.

This way everybody will be happy.

Cheers 🍻.

Solvryn

MybroViajero wrote: »

Hot opinions are sometimes not so good or sometimes very good.
It's been a day to meditate on what was shown yesterday in the monthly update.

What is your honest opinion about the Alpha Two Basic Ranged Weapon Attack Update?

For my part I think Intrepid has a correct vision of what it wants to do (that very important), the Ranger combat was very fluid, very constant, with a lot of potential for movement, vision, repositioning in attack or defense, it was not a crazy combat that can not be controlled but it was shown as something more fluid, controllable, a good start for that class.

However I also felt in some moments the lack of explosiveness that the Action can give to a class as explosive and fast as the Ranger.
https://youtu.be/8VGI6rn57F8?t=405

At times I felt the AoC Ranger was more assertive but a bit slower in his movements.

By this I don't mean that AoC's combat should look like BDO's, not at all, if AoC has a direction and is sure of it, it should go ahead because I want AoC to be AoC, to grow and improve as it sees fit and not be a copy of something else but be an improvement of itself that is inspired by many things.

It's a good start for the Ranger and I understand that not even 40% of the Ranger's capabilities, moves and combat style have been shown, so I will wait to have a clear perspective on the Ranger when Intrepid has improved those details that the Ranger lacks.

Hey.

It's a start, I'm one to believe that while influences from previous titles in regard to development are fine; when it becomes too apparent it detracts from their own creation.

With that said the heavy influence from GW1 and GW2 were too noticeable, if it was subtle that is fine. I prefer IS rely on their own brilliance they have too much for this industry not to squander it.

Impassioned players are at the danger of being myopic, it's important to remember that. Especially when they overestimate themselves when it comes to perceiving their own knowledge and ability in a genre. However, if people like what they like, that's answer is more than appropriate if they remember that an emotionally truthful and intelligent answer is not always able to be expressed in terms of data logic and engineering.

In regard to the art style, I do not think the combats art flow matches the world they're building. Over the top animations like that big flip or the hammer from the melee reveal are out of place in with their artistic design they've presented in the rest of the world. It's detracting from the setting of Verra.

I would say that I'm absolutely unsure of what the IS teams is calling hybrid, I'm someone who is a bit more defined in absolute sense. Their system looks very incomplete and will take a long time to finish developing. In further developing their hybrid I would like the same effort and weight across the tab target and action combat, if they're going to engineer the tab portion of the hybrid system well, then it is not unreasonable to want defined, crisp action combat that is well engineered too.

To me that is on the very straight forward and simple side of things, free-aiming abilities without any aim assists or soft targeting. If a player hits, they hit. If they miss, they miss. We don't need over the top and super advanced solutions, let action be action, let tab be tab with seamless flow between the two for those of us who can toggle constantly between the two.

Cheers.

Serithis

All I know is that spellcasters are going to want some kind of windshield to knock away those arrow projectiles from melting them

Mag7spy

Lullabae wrote: »

Asgerr wrote: »

Lullabae wrote: »

Asgerr wrote: »

I think the best middle point for all to be happy would be as follow:

- Basic attack = tab targeted
- Skills (Snipe, Aerial Assault, templated attacks) = must be aimed in action camera mode

This way you keep a basic tab target core and still have some (or all) stronger skills requiring some level of mouse dexterity.

So you want a game with aimed camera action mode for basically everything?

There you are : https://www.ea.com/en-gb/games/apex-legends

In some obscure words we call it “FPS”.

This boggles my mind, especially since I'm in the camp of Tab target mostly, but I do find that some action camera aiming would be cool.

You really don’t need to write that much when your entire message is summarised in this quote.

And no I disagree.

Yet I say it once more, there are plenty of games that fulfil perfectly your wish, so go ahead, try Fortnite.

It ain’t that bad.

Here’s the download link : https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/en-US/download

De nada.

Typical all mmorpgs should be tab target, action combat is a fps game, I want a easy game so people can't be better than me and we click buttons and i throw gear at them.

It takes a small handful to try to regress progression of mmorpgs like they think they are in the right like you lmao. Mmorpgs have always worked towards action combat since WoW.

And no a action game isn't a FPS. Maybe try playing other games besides tab target mmorpgs.

People actually calling action games FPS like dragons dogma is the height of just saying some stupid nonsense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYbH25f36Qg

Nerror

Asgerr wrote: »

- Basic attack = tab targeted
- Skills (Snipe, Aerial Assault, templated attacks) = must be aimed in action camera mode

I don't think it should ever be required to manually switch between tab and action mode to use all the skills of a class. That would be cumbersome and clunky. Even an automatic temporary switch while using the skill would likely feel bad. I would be fine testing it, but my guess is going back and forth between modes a lot during combat isn't a good time.

falcorpix

It looked very boring, part of it could be that they only showed 3 skills and there was too much basic attack spam, but another part is how generic the animations and sounds are, i just couldnt feel any impact when they use powerful skills, etc...

Add knockbacks/backsteps when used a fully charged shot for example, add sound cues when charging so its easier to tell at which level the charge is, and overall just add a bit more "dramatic" animations.

The jump skill just seemed completely out of place, takes too long to start, its too slow, travels too much distance.

I also feel like its too tab-target focused, but I guess we need more skills and actual playtest to judge that.

ItsmeToki

MybroViajero wrote: »

However I also felt in some moments the lack of explosiveness that the Action can give to a class as explosive and fast as the Ranger.
https://youtu.be/8VGI6rn57F8?t=407
At times I felt the AoC Ranger was more assertive but a bit slower in his movements.

By this I don't mean that AoC's combat should look like BDO's, not at all, if AoC has a direction and is sure of it, it should go ahead because I want AoC to be AoC, to grow and improve as it sees fit and not be a copy of something else but be an improvement of itself that is inspired by many things.

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Thanks for showing the elves

Videolink:
-Looks like the floor is ice
-Too much slide
-Unrealistic movements
-looks like a very solo oriented gameplay
-combat system looks prone to lags/ latency issues
-too few variations in attackanimations (everything looks the same)

Aggree with you that AoCs combat shouldnt look like this in any way.

Percimes

I haven't commented in the official thread because, well, I can't really form an opinion with only what was shown, too much is missing for me to really internalize what I saw. I like general feel for the ranger: range and mobility, but no opinions on the mechanics.

I need to either perform the clicking myself or have a very deconstructed, step by step, show down of what's being done. All the auto-attacks being chained as a demonstration is like watching someone playing a fighting game with no idea what are the basic attacks and how you do the combos. It was the same for the melee demo. Give me the controls for a few minutes and I'll get it, but I can't say if I like it or not by just watching it done.

It's the same for the tab vs. point targeting, I'll probably use both for different things or depending the situations calls for, but with the limited skills in the presentation I kind of see the potential, but I it's hard for me to say if I like it or not.

The only think that is clear for me though, I hope mobs will be as mobile and fast acting as the players, dodging and jumping all over, because, from I remember of all the demos, they are way more static than the players as if waiting to be defeated.

Gaf

THIS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypB_gemG_JQ

Balrog21

I loved it. Besides there weren't any cool downs on the abilities as well plus there a ton more of abilities they didn't show us. Plus the weapon skill tree as well....
If I wanted to slide around and look like Kung fu theater I would go play the glorified Street Fighter game BDO.
Everybody wants aimed action combat....until they get into a siege where you can find a target in the crowd....then we'll hear more complaints.
You're right on target Intrepid. Keep up the good work!

MybroViajero

NiKr wrote: »

I mean, to me, that aerial attack looked way more "explosive" than some sliding around like a breakdancer.

The speed of the combat seems good and they've shown perfect representation of Ranger's skillset. There was a long slow but powerful charged shot, a super fast low but rising dmg triple shot and that aerial attack showed the "explosiveness" and the potential for mobility.

Imo this was a much much better showcase of what the archetype will be than what we saw with the previous combat showcase.

Of course, 100% agree that it has been a better showcase than previous ones.

But in my opinion (I say this mostly as a former BDO harcore player) I understand that AoC tries to balance the moves for a more controlled pvp/pve environment and I think that's great, but I hope that in Intrepid's perspective they don't leave out the explosiveness of some moves that make one or another class feel different.

beretta7

If you are a carebear and like pushing tab to fight it was fine, if only there were any other fantasy MMORPG's that have done that...........................................

For my personal opinion it was terrible. Stop dodging the question about what's the point of action combat, what's the benefit over tab target...there are none and that's ok...just say it FFS. Just take away action combat because what you have is terrible, just keep your easy mode tab target combat and make it the best you can. For all the no skill pvp'rs sake just focus on what you are actually making...tab target. I unfortunately won't be playing it unless you switch to something closer to action or FPS...even New world has a much better combat system in the way I prefer gaming. My opinion.

CROW3

beretta7 wrote: »

I unfortunately won't be playing it unless you switch to something closer to action or FPS...even New world has a much better combat system in the way I prefer gaming. My opinion.

Unfortunate for who? If Ashes were a pure action game, would you frame your opinion as ‘Fortunately, I will be playing..”? I’m just curious.

Either way … great. Enjoy playing what you play.

BaSkA_9x2

My honest opinion: a video is not enough. A video can show if it's dogshit, a video can show if it's probably good, but I can only tell if it's good or if it's bad by playing.

Too many people seem like experts that can tell it's great or it's dogshit from watching an old dude bad at games spamming 3 skills + LMB at stupid easy mobs with god mode turned on.

If it turns out that the combat/ranger/everything is bad, we'll only find out during Alpha 2. If it turns out it's pretty good, then lucky us.

beretta7

CROW3 wrote: »

beretta7 wrote: »

I unfortunately won't be playing it unless you switch to something closer to action or FPS...even New world has a much better combat system in the way I prefer gaming. My opinion.

Unfortunate for who? If Ashes were a pure action game, would you frame your opinion as ‘Fortunately, I will be playing..”? I’m just curious.

Either way … great. Enjoy playing what you play.

Unfortunately as in I won't be supporting this game financially, and I wish with all the content it was New World pvp. It's everything New world should have been. That game that I'm looking for just hasn't been launched yet and it's a little frustrating after watching 29 games over 2 decades launching and most failing to be WoW.

CROW3

beretta7 wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

beretta7 wrote: »

I unfortunately won't be playing it unless you switch to something closer to action or FPS...even New world has a much better combat system in the way I prefer gaming. My opinion.

Unfortunate for who? If Ashes were a pure action game, would you frame your opinion as ‘Fortunately, I will be playing..”? I’m just curious.

Either way … great. Enjoy playing what you play.

Unfortunately as in I won't be supporting this game financially, and I wish with all the content it was New World pvp. It's everything New world should have been. That game that I'm looking for just hasn't been launched yet and it's a little frustrating after watching 29 games over 2 decades launching and most failing to be WoW.

Got it. Hope you find what you’re looking for.

akabear

Pretty happy with the Ranger progression.

Hope to see at least some close skills and not all at range. (Would like to be able to do dungeon content as a ranger)

Mag7spy

beretta7 wrote: »

CROW3 wrote: »

beretta7 wrote: »

I unfortunately won't be playing it unless you switch to something closer to action or FPS...even New world has a much better combat system in the way I prefer gaming. My opinion.

Unfortunate for who? If Ashes were a pure action game, would you frame your opinion as ‘Fortunately, I will be playing..”? I’m just curious.

Either way … great. Enjoy playing what you play.

Unfortunately as in I won't be supporting this game financially, and I wish with all the content it was New World pvp. It's everything New world should have been. That game that I'm looking for just hasn't been launched yet and it's a little frustrating after watching 29 games over 2 decades launching and most failing to be WoW.

I'm curious have you played BDO or Elyon?

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