What type of community is AoC looking to foster?

Hello,

I am posting this here because I don't know where to turn on this matter and would like some advise and feedback. I have been excited about this game and it's vision since I first heard of it back in August of 2017. I have been paying close attention to development , the AMA's, and watch a lot of content from many creators. I trust Steven and the team are making an AMAZING game and have already purchased the voyager plus pre-order and am eager to play in the next testing phase!

There is one thing that has been hindering my excitement. Recently I have become very disheartened by one particular content creator and his insistence with using the R-word in almost every one of his videos in as vile of a way as one can. I understand that people make mistakes and can use a word and not understand the effect it can have on someone else. Maybe it is in anger and they don't mean it, or maybe they don't even understand it's impact. This is NOT the case here I can assure you. I have reported every video he does it in. YouTube does nothing. Now Asmongold is even reacting to these videos and seems to find it funny in his latest one. I'm not an Asmon hater, I actually enjoy his content mostly, and find him to be reasonable in matters like this for the most part. So that surprised me.

My question is for the AoC team. Since Narc seems to be one of the most vocal supporters of this game. It almost appears that he is in some way a spokesman for the game. I see you posting his videos as well. What are your thoughts on his behavior? Is this a word you are OK with being used in this fashion? Are we saying as a community that it is OK to demean and bully people who were born different than we are? I can't recall in my life seeing something as despicable as the times I would see someone make fun of a person with disabilities. Sure, it mostly happened growing up by bullies who wanted attention and were raised poorly. What's Narc's excuse? I am certain someone has said something to him by now with the amount of views his videos get and the fact that he has been ramping up his efforts to use this word more and more egregiously. I apologize for the long post, but this is important to me. I prefer not putting my time and money into something that will stand for something like this. If we won't stand up for people of this marginalized community, then who will?

What action do I expect? I think by now it has gone too far for him to simply stop saying it. This would be a great opportunity for awareness. Someone with his platform to come out and publicly apologize for his use of the word and to make his followers aware of the harm the word has on people, that would be great. Maybe help repair some of the damage I am certain his actions have caused. I am sure if the creators of the game he loves made him aware that his behavior won't be tolerated, and for him to participate he will need to make amends. That would be special. I am aware that is a lofty expectation, I would settle for him to just stop saying it, is that too much to ask?

That brings me to my initial statement. Does anyone have any advise on how we can stop Narc from doing this? Is anyone else concerned for those wonderful gamers out there who may have Down Syndrome or Autism, or maybe someone who suffered a traumatic brain injury, and are AoC fans that watch Narc's video only to be met with the vile word that has cut them down their entire lives? Am I the only one afraid of what this looks like for this community and in turn the game itself? I am not going to lie, posting this is making me a bit worried in itself as to what type of comments I will receive. Thank you for hearing me out if you got this far:P If you have any good advice for how we can address this please let me know. Maybe pass this along to someone in leadership on the AoC team. Anything is better than nothing.

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Hinotori

Dolyem wrote: »

Just don't watch his content if it bothers you. Not going to tell anyone what they can or can't say.

This is what I've never understood. People always talk about how people are mean and toxic on the internet. But you don't have to engage with their content at all.

There's a billion other pages or content creators to look at.

Mag7spy

This is what i gather he tried to report every video and doesn't watch them (hence why he doesn't know Narc also has a disability).

Youtube didn't remove the channel or give him strikes for the jokes, so he came to the forum to try to get him cancelled. And try to say he is leading advertising or something to try to get pressure on IS to punish him because youtube won't.

Typical cancel culture crap.

Dolyem

Nightman wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

Just don't watch his content if it bothers you. Not going to tell anyone what they can or can't say.

Noted. I can't believe I never thought of that. Incredible! I'm going to message every single person in the English speaking world and warn them just in case they happen to be of this demographic and happen to come across this CONTENT CREATOR's videos he POSTS ONLINE for Millions to see and warn them. Hey guys, just don't watch it.. Brilliant!

I mean if they see it, and don't like it, they just block or ignore him as well. Simple.

Okeydoke

It's about intention. Mostly at least. I don't think there was any ill will in Narc's intentions. I think that's very obvious. I wouldn't apologize either, no real reason to and usually that just makes things worse. Up to Narc though.

What I would advise you Narc, if you read this, before you start streaming on Twitch get a VPN. Get a VPN. Get a VPN. Can't repeat it enough. You're in a spotlight now with your growth, a small one, but that's all it takes. People will scrutinize you and potentially come after you in various ways. Get a VPN.

One of the main drawbacks of VPNs has always been that they slow your internet connection down. Well now, some of the better ones like NordVPN, have like a splitter function. So when you're streaming a game on Twitch, you can set it to where the game is using your regular home internet at it's full speeds, but you can split off your stream's internet to use the VPN, and thus be protected from people who can find your home address by tracing your IP, and all kinds of other nasty things they can do.

All that said, I view the R word and some of it's uses, even innocent ones, as unfortunate. I also view free speech as something worth fighting for and dying for.

CptBrownBeard

I don't necessarily condone the use of such verbiage, but to add on to @Okeydoke's point, intent is key. Having watched the video in question, it appears he got a bit energetic while making his point, using strong language to exaggerate for effect. An unfortunate word choice? Sure. An intentional choice to inflict pain on those it might offend, eh I doubt it. Sometimes words don't come out like we thought they would in our head.

But the main point, Vaknar already covered. Intrepid can't really do anything directly here. It's Narc's video, so if there's an issue then YouTube or Twitch would apply any reprimands if they deemed them necessary. Just my two cents.

akabear

One of the best quotes from a JP quote.

Leigh Sales, "Is being sensitive to offense such a problem, we would have previously called that manners"

Jordan Peterson, "it`s a terrible problem, so the rule is you cannot offend anyone. and you're on stage and you are going to say something important about something, something vital. let's say you are speaking to one person, I cannot offend you, all right fair enough. what if I am speaking to 10 people, do I get to offend one in ten people, how about one in a hundred, how about one in a thousand."

Veil Mistwarden

You said it yourself, you have an issue with ONE creator. Go watch something else.
Everybody is having fun watching it except you - being offended is a choice.

CroakerRPG

Lol. Lmao.

ApostateAZ

I watched too many Narc videos and now I have permanent "feeling" damage.
I need a safe space, because words are violence.
Won't someone ban him? /s

Seriously though, go watch something else and stop trying to be the word police.
People like you ruin everything!

WHIT3ROS3

"I'm not for cancel culture!"

Well, that's a lie. That's exactly what you're trying for. (In a really disingenuous and snakey way).

As others have said. If you don't like it, watch something else. Word police are so bloody tiresome.

The AoC "Community" isn't some single thing. It's plenty big enough for you to carve out your own little space which you can fill with other like-minded hall monitors and professional offense takers.

Veeshan

Gotta love the snowflake generation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kGBQSXX_GU&ab_channel=Thoughty2

CostcoFanboy

I refuse to believe this is not a troll.

Amist

My advice would be to stop consuming content that you find offensive or derogatory towards certain marginalized groups. Personally I find that there are plenty of words that given the context can be either offensive or pretty harmless (idiot, moron, b*tch, etc).

And I have yet to come across someone expressing distaste for Narcs content because they've felt belittled or attacked by it but then again, I don't read the comments all that much.

Also, since you mentioned dissapointment towards Asmon not taking notice of the use of the 'R' word:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4mQQu9NGWgE&ab_channel=DailyDoseOfClips

Vinny

I'm Autistic... Words can't hurt you, grow the fuck up and stop trying to censor comedy.

This may sound harsh but some people really need to be told to grow up before they start trying to fuck over other people.

BR0CK

Intent matters, and I completely disagree that "some jokes just aren't funny". Yeah maybe to you, but you don't get to gatekeep words and dictate what's humorous to others.

Nric

Ashesofcreation Community, I am really worried that people like this (the one that made this post) will start to emerge.

As a plus-ultra-super-voyager-pre-order (I paid a lot

)that follows this game from 2010 when Steven had the idea that night in his bed I would appreciate start reviewing this type of gamers.

Im not into cancel culture but maybe we need to start baning this kind of posts. I dont like them, they offend me and I think he donesnt know how bad they make me feel.

Best regards.

AdaegusFreewinter

You have to be either a child or rude to say things like that. I remember in high school I used those words and worse for fun. I'm older now and I'm not a dick so I don't use them anymore.

Not everyone is pleasant to be around but that's what's so nice about meeting chill people.

LionHeartUK

Oh god. This is going to be NW all over again. Entitled American Activists trying to crap over everything getting triggered by anything no matter how small or insignificant. Narc is a British YouTuber who uses British comedy. If you get offended by narc then never watch anything created in the UK and Never visit the country. Remember guys the entire world has to follow the sensibilities of Woke entitled American Autists. Other cultures aren't allowed to be diverse or different or even have a sense of Humor, though you will likely be safe with german content creators no humour there =P

Wada_Fuh

What? Narc is a spokesman for the community of AoC?
I may not be fond of the way he makes his videos, but branding him as a spokesman!? Nah, no way.

Abarat

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