Rhorden wrote: » @NiKr What I was getting at is why shouldn't ganking happen on a large scale?
Axonen wrote: » Please take a short look at it. It may be a little better solution for the flagging system :v: What do you think?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7RlhjaOmSE&ab_channel=Surma
BaSkA13 wrote: » Let at least Alpha 2 play out before finding solutions to problems that don't exist yet.
mcnasty wrote: » But there an active dev discussion about this very issue. It seems like maybe they want to get it as right as possible before A2.
Depraved wrote: » Rhorden wrote: » Depraved wrote: » Rhorden wrote: » Depraved wrote: » Rhorden wrote: » @NiKr One thing I have learned to be true over the years is when you don't ferret out all the ways something can be exploited, someone will take advantage of it. These "little group of PKer friends." in BFA was typically 15 to 20 people and sometimes over 30. Will that happen in AoC? Don't know. Guess it depends on if there's enough motivation. "Being in the mood to farm people for no reason at all" was usually a good enough motivator for my pvp guilds. I see flaws with this system on a large scale We don't have to agree but don't be quick to assume something can't happen just because you don't think it can. Go look at the start of any game and take note of all the loop holes found. wow uses a faction system, and fighting the other faction is part of the game story and lore. is there any penalty in wow for killing someone from the other faction? Umm, no. Not sure what you are getting at. exactly. If you're trying to make a point and the meaning doesn't land then what was the point of talking in the first place if you aren't willing to explain it? since there is no penalty in wow (and also in l2 essence), people are more likely to go on a murderfest. there will be less murderfest overall in aoc because of the penalties.
Rhorden wrote: » Depraved wrote: » Rhorden wrote: » Depraved wrote: » Rhorden wrote: » @NiKr One thing I have learned to be true over the years is when you don't ferret out all the ways something can be exploited, someone will take advantage of it. These "little group of PKer friends." in BFA was typically 15 to 20 people and sometimes over 30. Will that happen in AoC? Don't know. Guess it depends on if there's enough motivation. "Being in the mood to farm people for no reason at all" was usually a good enough motivator for my pvp guilds. I see flaws with this system on a large scale We don't have to agree but don't be quick to assume something can't happen just because you don't think it can. Go look at the start of any game and take note of all the loop holes found. wow uses a faction system, and fighting the other faction is part of the game story and lore. is there any penalty in wow for killing someone from the other faction? Umm, no. Not sure what you are getting at. exactly. If you're trying to make a point and the meaning doesn't land then what was the point of talking in the first place if you aren't willing to explain it?
Depraved wrote: » Rhorden wrote: » Depraved wrote: » Rhorden wrote: » @NiKr One thing I have learned to be true over the years is when you don't ferret out all the ways something can be exploited, someone will take advantage of it. These "little group of PKer friends." in BFA was typically 15 to 20 people and sometimes over 30. Will that happen in AoC? Don't know. Guess it depends on if there's enough motivation. "Being in the mood to farm people for no reason at all" was usually a good enough motivator for my pvp guilds. I see flaws with this system on a large scale We don't have to agree but don't be quick to assume something can't happen just because you don't think it can. Go look at the start of any game and take note of all the loop holes found. wow uses a faction system, and fighting the other faction is part of the game story and lore. is there any penalty in wow for killing someone from the other faction? Umm, no. Not sure what you are getting at. exactly.
Rhorden wrote: » Depraved wrote: » Rhorden wrote: » @NiKr One thing I have learned to be true over the years is when you don't ferret out all the ways something can be exploited, someone will take advantage of it. These "little group of PKer friends." in BFA was typically 15 to 20 people and sometimes over 30. Will that happen in AoC? Don't know. Guess it depends on if there's enough motivation. "Being in the mood to farm people for no reason at all" was usually a good enough motivator for my pvp guilds. I see flaws with this system on a large scale We don't have to agree but don't be quick to assume something can't happen just because you don't think it can. Go look at the start of any game and take note of all the loop holes found. wow uses a faction system, and fighting the other faction is part of the game story and lore. is there any penalty in wow for killing someone from the other faction? Umm, no. Not sure what you are getting at.
Depraved wrote: » Rhorden wrote: » @NiKr One thing I have learned to be true over the years is when you don't ferret out all the ways something can be exploited, someone will take advantage of it. These "little group of PKer friends." in BFA was typically 15 to 20 people and sometimes over 30. Will that happen in AoC? Don't know. Guess it depends on if there's enough motivation. "Being in the mood to farm people for no reason at all" was usually a good enough motivator for my pvp guilds. I see flaws with this system on a large scale We don't have to agree but don't be quick to assume something can't happen just because you don't think it can. Go look at the start of any game and take note of all the loop holes found. wow uses a faction system, and fighting the other faction is part of the game story and lore. is there any penalty in wow for killing someone from the other faction?
Rhorden wrote: » @NiKr One thing I have learned to be true over the years is when you don't ferret out all the ways something can be exploited, someone will take advantage of it. These "little group of PKer friends." in BFA was typically 15 to 20 people and sometimes over 30. Will that happen in AoC? Don't know. Guess it depends on if there's enough motivation. "Being in the mood to farm people for no reason at all" was usually a good enough motivator for my pvp guilds. I see flaws with this system on a large scale We don't have to agree but don't be quick to assume something can't happen just because you don't think it can. Go look at the start of any game and take note of all the loop holes found.
Dygz wrote: » It's a dev choice. But... you know... Shadowbane also wanted ganking on a large scale: Play to Crush. We see how long that lasted. We also see how long the focus on hardcore PvP focus lasted with for New World. Large scale ganking needs to have enough players interested in that feature to support the maintenance of the specific game for more than a decade.
Liniker wrote: » Dygz wrote: » It's a dev choice. But... you know... Shadowbane also wanted ganking on a large scale: Play to Crush. We see how long that lasted. We also see how long the focus on hardcore PvP focus lasted with for New World. Large scale ganking needs to have enough players interested in that feature to support the maintenance of the specific game for more than a decade. @Dygz have you heard the news? when nodes are destroyed we now will get another Open PvP zone for a few days while we get the treasures 👀
Okeydoke wrote: » lol Liniker. We are at risk of getting New World'd or partially New World'd essentially...forever. Even after launch, we could still get New World'd. Dygz is going to rub your face in it if/when it happens.
NiKr wrote: » At this point I'd be really surprised if we were.
Liniker wrote: » @Dygz have you heard the news? when nodes are destroyed we now will get another Open PvP zone for a few days while we get the treasures 👀
Dygz wrote: » Liniker wrote: » @Dygz have you heard the news? when nodes are destroyed we now will get another Open PvP zone for a few days while we get the treasures 👀 Everywhere is Open PvP. Open Seas is a permanent auto-flag PvP zone. I'm Ok with temp auto-flag PvP zones that last a few days. Easy enough to wait for that to return to normal flagging... Hmmmn. Steven says in the video it's opt-in. I wonder what he thinks opt-in means. Opt-in is different than auto-flag.
BaSkA13 wrote: » I understand that, but I definitely disagree with it unless/until they tell us the "current" flagging system/PKing rules doesn't work and why. But, deep down, I already know we'll get EVE Online PvP in Ashes, it's just a matter of time. It's all right and it works but I don't like player segregation.
Dygz wrote: » BaSkA13 wrote: » I understand that, but I definitely disagree with it unless/until they tell us the "current" flagging system/PKing rules doesn't work and why. But, deep down, I already know we'll get EVE Online PvP in Ashes, it's just a matter of time. It's all right and it works but I don't like player segregation. I think it's not a matter of the Corruption system not working. EvE Online is one of Steven's inspirations. You can see that in that interview where I ask him what games he counts as a murder-box. He says Ashes won't be a murder-box, but... strangely... he can't think of any previous games that he counts as a murder-box. He says he hasn't played any. When I tell him EvE is a murder-box to me, he says, "EvE is a murder-box if you choose to go to the appropriate sectors, right?" I reply, "I don't know. I'm staying away from EvE because it's too PvP-centric for me. So that's why I'm asking the question." Steven is all, "Ah... I see. (Crap! How can I spin my way out of this one!?!)"
itsRyanB wrote: » Go play new world and free farm to your pockets are filled. I don’t understand why anyone even suggests changing of a system that has not even been tested yet. The game is PvX, stop trying to change it.
