Free trial

Is there gonna be any free trial system? Like in wow where you can play until a certain level and limited to do stuff?

I feel that a real good way to bring in new players to the game but that's only my opinion.

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Depraved

Kornpatch wrote: »

Cat Quiver wrote: »

A monthly sub(which has been known about for a long time now) is what's going to kill your excitement, weird.

Anyway there should be no free trial. Pay for 1 month, if you like it keep the sub, if you don't then don't keep the sub.

As a matter of fact. No I didn’t know it was a monthly subscription I’ve been watching development here and there over the past couple years but never really saw anything about how they intend to sell the game. I want to play the game because it looks really cool.

But when a game costs more than any other game over the course of 5 months I have an issue, especially with an MMO that demands time, it’s borderline predatory.

Your solution to my issue with monthly subscriptions in games is to subscribe for a month to see if I like it… I don’t want a free game. I want to pay for it once and then maybe put more down for a DLC or expansion.

look at the cost per year. you will spend more money in 3 games than 1 year of aoc subscription. plus they will most likely have discounted subscriptions if you buy several months together.

id still rather buy once and play like you, but i dont mind paying the sub that much, its very affordable

BaSkA_9x2

I think free trials are a great thing for MMOs, as long as they're nerfed to the abyss so that they can't be abused by gold farmers.

Kornpatch

Talents wrote: »

Monthly sub is the best way to monetize an MMO. Honestly if Ashes wasn't a monthly sub game I probably wouldn't be paying attention to it.

I don’t agree with the “games as a service” pricing model. I prefer to buy games full price and on release. If AoC allowed the debit to be paid in my countries currency I would be willing to make a concession. But that’s not going to happen so I’m probably just never going to play it.

SongRune

Kornpatch wrote: »

Cat Quiver wrote: »

A monthly sub(which has been known about for a long time now) is what's going to kill your excitement, weird.

Anyway there should be no free trial. Pay for 1 month, if you like it keep the sub, if you don't then don't keep the sub.

As a matter of fact. No I didn’t know it was a monthly subscription I’ve been watching development here and there over the past couple years but never really saw anything about how they intend to sell the game. I want to play the game because it looks really cool.

But when a game costs more than any other game over the course of 5 months I have an issue, especially with an MMO that demands time, it’s borderline predatory.

Your solution to my issue with monthly subscriptions in games is to subscribe for a month to see if I like it… I don’t want a free game. I want to pay for it once and then maybe put more down for a DLC or expansion.

Ah yes, the "I'll pay $4 per hour for 2 hours of entertainment at a movie theater, but only $0.06 per hour for 1000 hours of entertainment from a videogame."

To match the cost of an $8 movie ticket, you'd have to play your $15 subscription MMO for only 3.5 hours per month. If you instead play for a modest 10 hours per week, that subscription costs you $0.38 per entertainment hour.

For a singleplayer game where the costs are fixed, a simple box cost makes sense. For a MMORPG, there are significant ongoing costs from operations staff, GMs, hardware, and more.

As a society, we have a really distorted concept of what is fair to pay for entertainment. People will pay $4/hour for a movie theater, $1.69/hour for 35.5 hours of a game like "The Witcher", but when it comes to a subscription to an ongoing service that provides unlimited entertainment, suddenly $0.38/hour is distasteful.

If you play even 9 hours of Ashes per month, that subscription's cheaper than many AAA videogames. Play 4 hours of Ashes and it's cheaper than a movie. If you can't get 4 hours of enjoyment from Ashes per month, you should probably unsubscribe.

Kornpatch

SongRune wrote: »

Ah yes, the "I'll pay $4 per hour for 2 hours of entertainment at a movie theater, but only $0.06 per hour for 1000 hours of entertainment from a videogame."

To match the cost of an $8 movie ticket, you'd have to play your $15 subscription MMO for only 3.5 hours per month. If you instead play for a modest 10 hours per week, that subscription costs you $0.38 per entertainment hour.

For a singleplayer game where the costs are fixed, a simple box cost makes sense. For a MMORPG, there are significant ongoing costs from operations staff, GMs, hardware, and more.

As a society, we have a really distorted concept of what is fair to pay for entertainment. People will pay $4/hour for a movie theater, $1.69/hour for 35.5 hours of a game like "The Witcher", but when it comes to a subscription to an ongoing service that provides unlimited entertainment, suddenly $0.38/hour is distasteful.

If you play even 9 hours of Ashes per month, that subscription's cheaper than many AAA videogames. Play 4 hours of Ashes and it's cheaper than a movie.

There are other solutions here than pay $180 per year to play a game with “unlimited” entertainment.

That’s such a bold statement to make, as if you can’t get “unlimited” entertainment from literally any other multiplayer game that you pay once off for.

The day that the game I’m playing can give me back something tangible is the day I will subscribe to a game, till then my monthly expenses will not extend past living and investing.

BlackBrony

Kornpatch wrote: »

SongRune wrote: »

Ah yes, the "I'll pay $4 per hour for 2 hours of entertainment at a movie theater, but only $0.06 per hour for 1000 hours of entertainment from a videogame."

To match the cost of an $8 movie ticket, you'd have to play your $15 subscription MMO for only 3.5 hours per month. If you instead play for a modest 10 hours per week, that subscription costs you $0.38 per entertainment hour.

For a singleplayer game where the costs are fixed, a simple box cost makes sense. For a MMORPG, there are significant ongoing costs from operations staff, GMs, hardware, and more.

As a society, we have a really distorted concept of what is fair to pay for entertainment. People will pay $4/hour for a movie theater, $1.69/hour for 35.5 hours of a game like "The Witcher", but when it comes to a subscription to an ongoing service that provides unlimited entertainment, suddenly $0.38/hour is distasteful.

If you play even 9 hours of Ashes per month, that subscription's cheaper than many AAA videogames. Play 4 hours of Ashes and it's cheaper than a movie.

There are other solutions here than pay $180 per year to play a game with “unlimited” entertainment.

That’s such a bold statement to make, as if you can’t get “unlimited” entertainment from literally any other multiplayer game that you pay once off for.

The day that the game I’m playing can give me back something tangible is the day I will subscribe to a game, till then my monthly expenses will not extend past living and investing.

Such a weird way of seeing the gaming world. Ashes is by far the best possible game. Even Path of Exile did some shit and people are mad.
Plus AAA games are now going for 70. And let's not even forget the Battle Passes, and DLCs. You can rarely find a single player game that is completed.

Kornpatch

BlackBrony wrote: »

Such a weird way of seeing the gaming world. Ashes is by far the best possible game. Even Path of Exile did some shit and people are mad.
Plus AAA games are now going for 70. And let's not even forget the Battle Passes, and DLCs. You can rarely find a single player game that is completed.

Best possible game? On what grounds, have you played it?

The absolute state of the industry is terrible if ashes released 15 years ago there is a good chance I would be onboard, but not so much anymore. My time is more valuable then a perceived dollar per hour game time.

Hinotori

Kornpatch wrote: »

My time is more valuable then a perceived dollar per hour game time.

Cool. Hope you find something better suited to your situation

WHIT3ROS3

Kornpatch wrote: »

Oh.... its a monthly sub, well there goes all my excitement for AoC.
Just want to buy a game and play it whenever, I dont want more monthly bills.

You must have only learned about the game a couple of days ago at most, so no big loss for you then. Whoever learns about the game, knows it will be a sub-cost. It is stated everywhere and has been for years.

Cat Quiver

Kornpatch wrote: »

Cat Quiver wrote: »

A monthly sub(which has been known about for a long time now) is what's going to kill your excitement, weird.

Anyway there should be no free trial. Pay for 1 month, if you like it keep the sub, if you don't then don't keep the sub.

As a matter of fact. No I didn’t know it was a monthly subscription I’ve been watching development here and there over the past couple years but never really saw anything about how they intend to sell the game. I want to play the game because it looks really cool.

But when a game costs more than any other game over the course of 5 months I have an issue, especially with an MMO that demands time, it’s borderline predatory.

Your solution to my issue with monthly subscriptions in games is to subscribe for a month to see if I like it… I don’t want a free game. I want to pay for it once and then maybe put more down for a DLC or expansion.

Assuming its going to be 15 bucks per month, for 5 months that's about what a triple a game will cost you these days so that was an awful example, calling that model predatory is laughable as well. And going by what Intrepid has held to thus far the sub is the only cost, no box or expansion prices, of course that could always change but that's the info we have to work with currently. "my solution to you" was just a general comment on the idea of free trial and not directed to you.

Gizban

CROW3 wrote: »

I like the ‘only on a trial period server’ then prospective players have to choose a real server when they sub.

Introducing trial accounts on real servers will have too many negative & unintended impacts.

Edit: oh, and I’d want the player’s inventory deleted. Then upon x-Fer to a new server your gifted a starting set of average gear. No bots mining mats then bringing them to a different server.

Those are some good ideas.

Noaani

@Kornpatch

You've had a bit of a rough time in this thread, I'll see if I can explain some things to you.

An online game like Ashes has ongoing costs. Servers cost a lot to run,and bandwidth is also not cheap.

If Ashes didnt have an ongoing subscription fee specifically to cover these costs,the game would then need to rely on cash shop sales to cover the basic upkeep of the game.

What this means is that as sales of the game decline over time - yet costs to maintain the game remain high,the cash shop would need to fi d ways to cover more of the cost of maintaining the game. In order to sell more in the cash shop, a develop would need to make the offerings in the cash shop more appealing.

This is when things like pay to win and loot boxes come in to a game. Low sales of boxes for revenue, but still high maintainence costs.

In order to avoid that, the only viable thing for a game developer to do is to charge an ongoing fee. Essentially, without a subscription, Ashes cash shop will inevitably turn either pay to win, or outright predatory via loot boxes.

Personally, I'll take a subscription fee purely because it means there is a *chance* that pay to win and such will be kept out of the game. My hope is that when you see it presented in this manner, you understand a little better why it is the way it is, and perhaps also why you have received the comments you have.

Iridianny

Free trials are used by the most popular mmos, so I'd say they'd be foolish to not do it. It gets people invested in their characters and the world. Most players will not be the few people who frequent these forums and are already spending hundreds on it. So, why would they hash out the money for a sub price before they can try it like the other mmos? How is that any different than a box price barrier of entry besides the dollar amount?

Free to try = more downloads = more players = more people wanting to sub their characters = more subs.

George_Black

Kornpatch wrote: »

BlackBrony wrote: »

Such a weird way of seeing the gaming world. Ashes is by far the best possible game. Even Path of Exile did some shit and people are mad.
Plus AAA games are now going for 70. And let's not even forget the Battle Passes, and DLCs. You can rarely find a single player game that is completed.

Best possible game? On what grounds, have you played it?

The absolute state of the industry is terrible if ashes released 15 years ago there is a good chance I would be onboard, but not so much anymore. My time is more valuable then a perceived dollar per hour game time.

It's so weird that you just created the account and chose to engage in such a boring and petty topic.

Veeshan

tbh game probaly wont need a free trial, word of mouth will probaly do wonders for this one with how it shaping up, it has the potential to take on WoW tbh especially with alot of the big streamers eagerly waiting for this one.
Thats assuming it doesnt flop but doesnt seem like this would happen but u never know

BaSkA_9x2

Kornpatch wrote: »

The day that the game I’m playing can give me back something tangible is the day I will subscribe to a game, till then my monthly expenses will not extend past living and investing.

The dude only wants to pay to play a game that "gives back" something tangible.

LMAO

Listen up guys, I won't spend money to go on vacations anymore until they give me something tangible back, and memories/fun/good experiences are not tangible, ok?

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