Solutions for bots - Best ideas (?)

We have all played MMORPGs over the years. We have seen many of them fall for different reasons. We also have seen that all these games have bots to profit from in the real world. These bots, as we all know, ruin the game very quickly as you start seeing AFK players, repeating moves, stealing loot from you, and many more things. This make real players mad until they stop playing the game, even when they put so much time and sacrifice into it. I created this post, to discuss what are the most effective ways, we can imagine or have seen regarding this matter.
In my opinion, the best strategy is to ask for a KYC per account. You would have to upload your information, documents that verify this information, and even real photos/videos of each one. This information is not intended to show it online but to understand that there is a real person behind the computer playing Ashes Of Creation. There are going to be people who seek to cheat with this system and bypass it, but from my point of view, it would solve a lot. What do you think?

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JustVine

Veeshan wrote: »

When enough players report a bot a msg pops up ontheir screen off to the side but noticable if it a player but not in the way if there fighting and they have 2-5 minutes (with character being in motion aka moving around) to type in the code if they dont they get flagged for no penalty for killing them and they drop their resources as a reward :P

This will obviously be used to harass people during combat.

Arya_Yeshe

JustVine wrote: »

The bot benefits the node and therefore the guild in a lot of indirect ways. Even if IS clamps down on benefiting from the mats they will generate, baiting political enemies into attacking an 'innocent' green bot the guild knows not to attack them, but other people don't.

And you know what sucks if this scenario happens? Once people go red trying to get rid of these bots, the goon squad can roll in take what drops you gained killing the bot without fear of being tracked as bot users and your gear takes the damage and possibly gets lost setting you back time and resources.

@JustVine brought up things that are truly concerning.

Bot farms will not only make the player rich, but they will also upgrade the node.
The upgraded node will enslave the surrounding nodes who now will become vassal nodes.
Vassal nodes can not declare war against the upgraded node and the vassal nodes pay tax and xp.

If the vassals go for ganking as a form of assymetrical war for their own self-defence then the Corruption system will make them red... then the master node will come with their main characters and kill the reds and steal the loot.

The Corruption system creates a monopoly over violence, monopolies over violence only create oppresion.

Depraved

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

JustVine wrote: »

The bot benefits the node and therefore the guild in a lot of indirect ways. Even if IS clamps down on benefiting from the mats they will generate, baiting political enemies into attacking an 'innocent' green bot the guild knows not to attack them, but other people don't.

And you know what sucks if this scenario happens? Once people go red trying to get rid of these bots, the goon squad can roll in take what drops you gained killing the bot without fear of being tracked as bot users and your gear takes the damage and possibly gets lost setting you back time and resources.

@JustVine brought up things that are truly concerning.

Bot farms will not only make the player rich, but they will also upgrade the node.
The upgraded node will enslave the surrounding nodes who now will become vassal nodes.
Vassal nodes can not declare war against the upgraded node and the vassal nodes pay tax and xp.

If the vassals go for ganking as a form of assymetrical war for their own self-defence then the Corruption system will make them red... then the master node will come with their main characters and kill the reds and steal the loot.

The Corruption system creates a monopoly over violence, monopolies over violence only create oppresion.

they cant instantly teleport next to you and kill you. also you probably wont drop anything if you have less than 3 pk. just be selective when you go red, weigh your options. do it when ther is no one around. the system is still better than being able to kill with no penalty, or not being able to kill at all

Iskiab

Netflix and other streaming services look at the IP address and reconcile the address with the account. Do the same, collect the IP.

If multiple accounts are associated with an IP address look into potential botting. Could be a family, but for any fix to work you need to determine the person who was controlling the bot and go after their main account. Banning just the bot isn't enough of a deterrent. So don't ban accounts, ban IP addresses.

Depraved

Iskiab wrote: »

Netflix and other streaming services look at the IP address and reconcile the address with the account. Do the same, collect the IP.

If multiple accounts are associated with an IP address look into potential botting. Could be a family, but for any fix to work you need to determine the person who was controlling the bot and go after their main account. Banning just the bot isn't enough of a deterrent. So don't ban accounts, ban IP addresses.

people who bot can bypass that. and banning ips hurt innocent people who have dynamic ips

SongRune

Iskiab wrote: »

Netflix and other streaming services look at the IP address and reconcile the address with the account. Do the same, collect the IP.

If multiple accounts are associated with an IP address look into potential botting. Could be a family, but for any fix to work you need to determine the person who was controlling the bot and go after their main account. Banning just the bot isn't enough of a deterrent. So don't ban accounts, ban IP addresses.

Almost zero consumer grade internet providers will give anyone a static IP. Your IP changes over time. With IPv4 exhaustion as a serious concern, huge swaths of internet providers (nearly all ISPs in many countries; many university housing departments in the US) will combine hundreds of unrelated customers onto the same IP address. Add to this that someone malicious has numerous ways of getting other IP addresses.

It's not a bad thought, it's just that it's the way we defeated ban evaders in the early 2000s. You've needed more advanced tactics since about that era. It's still useful sometimes, but it's never enough on its own.

There are a LOT of methods you can use (and I've used a decent amount of them), but banning financials (credit card number, etc) is one of the better ones. Though these days you can even get 'unlimited' CC numbers from certain privacy services. Most companies have gone to SMS verification, these days. It's unpopular for various reasons, but some big names do use it (Overwatch 2, I hear lately).

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