Artisan Classes!

Steven has given us an established list of artisan classes! What does everyone think? I love them personally, and I am assuming previous artisan classes not mentioned are being lumped into some of the ones stated. An example would be that I assume shipbuilding and siege weapons will be included in carpentry and/or arcane engineering. lets hear what you like/dislike about these, and tell everyone what you think about artisan classes that weren't mentioned this time around but were mentioned earlier in development.

Gathering

https://clips.twitch.tv/ShyObliviousChimpanzeeYouDontSay-69xJla4146zXLSeR

Mining
Logging
Herbalism
Fishing
Hunting

Processing

https://clips.twitch.tv/ScaryPlausibleHerdTwitchRPG-ecyTbuPpwd80C1e2

Metalworking
Stonemasonry
Weaving
Tanning
Lumber-milling
Farming
Animal Husbandry
Alchemy
Cooking

Crafting

https://clips.twitch.tv/YawningEsteemedPineappleBabyRage-ICugI2RJYlfmYWqq

Weaponsmithing
Carpentry
Arcane engineering
armorsmithing
leatherworking
Tailoring
Jewel Cutting
Scribe

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Asgerr

Depraved wrote: »

yeah but whats the point if you can make alts and craft everything yourself? it defeats the purpose of player interaction, since you can just relog and craft wahetever you want

Yes, but then you're still having to play the game that much longer to level your alts, one for each profession. That's 22 alts no less.

If you wanna level 22 alts to be able to craft everything by yourself, go for it. Otherwise that relationship with players exists.

Also, despite you being able to share your Freehold (if you manage to achieve one) for crafting with other players (or your alts), you can only do so for 8 at a time. And you can only have 1 freehold per account per server. So you couldn't just have all 22 alts working at the freehold and will be dependent on Nodes having the correct crafting stations for you.

And even then, you might need to spread it out across multiple Nodes, which in turn requires you to transport materials via the caravan system.

It all feeds back into player interdependence.

Ludullu

Asgerr wrote: »

Yes, but then you're still having to play the game that much longer to level your alts, one for each profession. That's 22 alts no less.

It'd be 11 chars, unless they've changed the "2 masteries per char" rule. So if Intrepid lets us have, say, 8 alts for a total of 9 chars, you'd need another acc to be able to do everything, at which point you could just divide your chars in such a way that lets you maximize the things you can do in your two freeholds.

Depraved

Asgerr wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

yeah but whats the point if you can make alts and craft everything yourself? it defeats the purpose of player interaction, since you can just relog and craft wahetever you want

Yes, but then you're still having to play the game that much longer to level your alts, one for each profession. That's 22 alts no less.

If you wanna level 22 alts to be able to craft everything by yourself, go for it. Otherwise that relationship with players exists.

Also, despite you being able to share your Freehold (if you manage to achieve one) for crafting with other players (or your alts), you can only do so for 8 at a time. And you can only have 1 freehold per account per server. So you couldn't just have all 22 alts working at the freehold and will be dependent on Nodes having the correct crafting stations for you.

And even then, you might need to spread it out across multiple Nodes, which in turn requires you to transport materials via the caravan system.

It all feeds back into player interdependence.

sir, notice i said crafting.

acquiring the mats isnt usually the problem, you can just farm one thing, sell it and buy whatever mats you need, basic or refined. or you can just kill other players and loot them.

im talking about crafting pofessions, and eventually people will just make alts and max them. you probably dont even need to get your adventurer level to max.

JustVine

Sathrago wrote: »

Hunting is a nice surprise. So ill be going for that fishing mastery and hunting mastery if they allow for 2.

I'll be honest it could be like three or four different things and one of them sucks. BDO's version of hunting is basically 'you have to hunt, 'hunting' specific mobs with 'hunting' specific gear. It's terribly unimmersive and it's basically just a worse version of the games actual combat.

It could be skinning, carving, and trapping on the other hand and I think I'd be more ok with those three things. Idk, without more info it's hard to have an opinion. I've just seen one possibility exectued very badly in the past and hope the avoid it's pitfalls.

Amma

I dont get it. Why is farming and cooking both in processing together?
shouldnt that be separate in two different artisan groups, so a cook cant do everything just by himself?

And what is with animal husbandry? No taming or something else in another artisan group?

Well.....OK......processing it is then for the main char.

Sathrago

Amma wrote: »

I dont get it. Why is farming and cooking both in processing together?
shouldnt that be separate in two different artisan groups, so a cook cant do everything just by himself?

And what is with animal husbandry? No taming or something else in another artisan group?

Well.....OK......processing it is then for the main char.

hunting = taming im pretty sure.

Sathrago

JustVine wrote: »

Sathrago wrote: »

Hunting is a nice surprise. So ill be going for that fishing mastery and hunting mastery if they allow for 2.

I'll be honest it could be like three or four different things and one of them sucks. BDO's version of hunting is basically 'you have to hunt, 'hunting' specific mobs with 'hunting' specific gear. It's terribly unimmersive and it's basically just a worse version of the games actual combat.

It could be skinning, carving, and trapping on the other hand and I think I'd be more ok with those three things. Idk, without more info it's hard to have an opinion. I've just seen one possibility exectued very badly in the past and hope the avoid it's pitfalls.

Well if by "specific" mobs it's all mobs that can be a pet or mount then it should be fine, no? I believe hunting will be used for capturing animals, dead or alive and harvesting materials from carcasses. They might make it easier to track down mobs with hunter, or have it create specific consumables that help with capture/fighting mobs. That sounds pretty nice to me tbh.

As for BDO, yes that stuff was stank and I hope it's not what we get.

Blip

Is Taming become hunting now?

Sathrago

Blip wrote: »

Is Taming become hunting now?

I would assume as much. Nothing else really makes sense.

prymortal

I think Gathering should be removed as a "artisan class". Really doesn't need explaining why if you played enough MMO's & seen the forum posts/patch notes from those games. If you are Noob well tl:dr bots, players, economy, limitations on crafting items cause end game crafters to leave early & limiting(cuck) the "legendary" mats long term at the start doesn't work well in the end, unless they are willing to patch the mistake out which wont help make players return. If you keep it to Processing/Crafting that's is 2, so 50/50 & you have very few troubles with leveling & keeping leveled players.
In the end is all comes down to balance, players & limitations. But I'm Going to bookmark this for future reference since I don't need hindsight on this matter.

superhero6785

GoreGoth wrote: »

Caravan building and ship building is on arcane engineering now?

I'm guessing it will be spread out. So like certain "attachments" to your ships may be done through Carpentry (hulls, masts, etc?), or Weaponsmithing (balistas?), or Tailoring (sails?), or Arcane Engineering (potion launchers?). Same goes for Caravans - perhaps wheels may be a part of Carpentry or an armored carriage could be part of Armorsmithing. Just my guess. Hopefully we get more clarification.

Savic Prosperity

I cant wait to test these out in game and see what minigame that steven mentioned for crafting, i think crafting/gathering professions are more exciting with a minigame and a meaningful reward for increased time to get said item

I was thinking they could change it so you can max 2 and +1 for a significant amount more exp would be cool but i dont think it'd be worth it for the risk of bots making use of something like that despite making it feel more cool to invest in your main

Dolyem

prymortal wrote: »

I think Gathering should be removed as a "artisan class". Really doesn't need explaining why if you played enough MMO's & seen the forum posts/patch notes from those games. If you are Noob well tl:dr bots, players, economy, limitations on crafting items cause end game crafters to leave early & limiting(cuck) the "legendary" mats long term at the start doesn't work well in the end, unless they are willing to patch the mistake out which wont help make players return. If you keep it to Processing/Crafting that's is 2, so 50/50 & you have very few troubles with leveling & keeping leveled players.
In the end is all comes down to balance, players & limitations. But I'm Going to bookmark this for future reference since I don't need hindsight on this matter.

The 3 artisan categories requires players to interact with eachother more. They all need eachother to progress as masters, so it creates a supply and demand across several types of professions.

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