Hybrid Combat system

Hello AoC team and community,

I wanted to ask what made you go into the way of hybrid combat system instead of pure action base or tab targeting, please dont get me wrong i am just curious not against it and i like the idea of hybrid combat. I just really want to understand why you choose to use such hybrid system.

Thank you in advance!

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Mag7spy

SunMatrix wrote: »

If ranged isnt tab target you have to give them big big damage to compensate for missing shots. Something like crit headshots so they can 2 shot you. Problem is the game becomes an fps and melee is junk. Tab target on ranged skills allows you to tone the damage down to be more in line with other skills.

I dont want the game to be fps gods destroying everyone in their path with no recourse.

There should be a damage increase of course compared to tab in whatever form it takes but this isn't fully true. You do not need to give a giant damage boost nor do you need to do headshots. You use softlock it will ensure focus, but you do not need to aim like a shooter you just look towards the target you want to attack. You need to trackt hem yes, you don't need to be precise, and your attack goes towards your soft lock target.

It is impossible for it to feel like a fps, i keep getting confused where these takes are coming from.... Action combat and a FPS are two different things. One is action combat the other is a FPS or third person shooter, they do not work the same...

Rink

Mag7spy wrote: »

[quote="SunMatrix;c-377361"..It is impossible for it to feel like a fps, i keep getting confused where these takes are coming from.... Action combat and a FPS are two different things. One is action combat the other is a FPS or third person shooter, they do not work the same...

Aside from the soft lock concept, action combat in general is exactly like fps, only fps fires faster projectiles than we may experience in rpgs. Action combat requires you to point your cursor at an opponent (or lead an opponent) and fire the ability expecting the projectile or aoe placement to hit the point of the cursor...it literally is fps. Consider a grenade throw in any fps, that is action combat 100% as well.

Rink

In any case, it has been made clear by Steven that most the abilities locked into action combat will generally be harder cc's or other higher value abilities than tab target abilities. I'm sure there will be exceptions, but in general it sounds like it will already be balanced by effect rather than damage.

If someone chooses to use a tab target ability in action combat, I don't believe there will be any "buff" to the ability because of the forced addition of difficulty. Although they did say there will be augments that will change abilities one way or the other, that is a different argument.

Beyolf

Rink wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

[quote="SunMatrix;c-377361"..It is impossible for it to feel like a fps, i keep getting confused where these takes are coming from.... Action combat and a FPS are two different things. One is action combat the other is a FPS or third person shooter, they do not work the same...

Aside from the soft lock concept, action combat in general is exactly like fps, only fps fires faster projectiles than we may experience in rpgs. Action combat requires you to point your cursor at an opponent (or lead an opponent) and fire the ability expecting the projectile or aoe placement to hit the point of the cursor...it literally is fps. Consider a grenade throw in any fps, that is action combat 100% as well.

Technically you are right, but the main difference between ranged action combat in rpg games and FPS games is the mechanics with which hit is registered. Most of the FPS i know of use hit scan (In New World the musket also use that) which means that there is no travel time for your ammos when you click "fire" button the game makes a snapshot of the position of your cursor and the enemy position and if your cursos is in the hitbox of the enemy player it register dmg, which means that there is not much time to react, in action combat mmo rpgs thats not how it works, the ranged attacks are projectiles which have fly time and maybe also gravity depending on the weapon which means that after you shoot a projectile it first has to fly over your enemy and then calculate if it hits the enemy by caluculating if the position at which the projectile landed collide with the enemy player , which makes it much easier to avoid even without active dodge ability and it becomes harder and harder to hit someone from bigger range.

In my experience tab targeting system usually suffer from button overload (having to use 20-30+ buttons for abilities) in order to have good in depth mechanics and it forces trading damage and cooldowns so it becomes very scripted especially in PvP scenario, another think which i dont like about tab targeting in PvP is that it makes character power much bigger factor for an outcome of a fight (gear etc.).

The action combat allows much more unpredictability and outplay potential because you can avoid all of the damage by just good movement without using abilities , which for me make the combat much more engaging and fun. The problem of Action combat system is the PvE design, its really hard to make good PvE design with a lot of engaging mechanics if everything can be dodged/blocked.

Hybrid system is trying to combine the good stuff from both worlds, but so far i experienced a hybrid system only in GW2 and i think it does quite a good job, because it really gives much more outplay potential than a tab targeting system, but its not as extreme as Action combat where you can use everything in your kit and not damage your enemy even once. Also its easier to design engaging PvE around hybrid system, so i believe that's the reason they decided to go in this direction, but i am not sure that's why i asked for their reasoning since i really am just curious what was the thought process , behind their design.

I personally prefer action combat based system , but i am happy with a hybrid if it does NOT restrict too much the outplay potential and does not make the combat too scripted and it looks like thats not the case here so i think they are doing a very good job so far.

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