Ninja Kitty wrote: » For those of us who really don't want to hear the toxic locker room talk. For those of us who don't want to hear the racist jokes, the sexist jokes, the raunchy jokes. For those of us who don't want to be told to kill ourselves or uninstall the game when we make mistakes or don't perform to the standards of professional e-sports players or even the level of average gamers. For those of us who may want to play the game with younger family members. For those of us who don't throw insults because we are emboldened by the shield our computers give us and don't want to be surrounded by those who think the anonymity of the internet makes it ok to be toxic. Maybe our server will be filled up with 'bads,' 'dirty casuals' and 'Karens,' but at least it will be a server we chose to join without the negative toxic gaming culture that seems to be completely standard in this industry. If Steven really did post that the Ashes Community discord is 'not a safe space,' then could we at least get a safe space when the game launches? I would be there. If I'm the only one on the server and it gets shut down, so be it. I can look for another game. But could Intrepid at least promise they will try to be better? If it doesn't work out, no harm done, just close the server. At least then we'll finally know how many people are sick and tired of the current status quo of toxic gaming culture. At least then we'll finally know if there are enough positive people to support at least 1 server completely dedicated to a non-toxic gaming community.
George_Black wrote: » Enough. Stop bashing
TheDarkSorcerer wrote: » So far the community of Ashes have been great and very far from toxic.
Strevi wrote: » Players would slap each other instead of using weapons? Maybe pillow fighting?
NiKr wrote: » TheDarkSorcerer wrote: » So far the community of Ashes have been great and very far from toxic.
Mag7spy wrote: » Ninja Kitty wrote: » Some questions 1. If someone is saying extreme bad take jokes that are clearly very offensive towards you why not report them? [...] 2. Why not join a guild that has the same goals as you in mind or make one? 3. A server name is just a name anyone can join. [...] So how are you expecting the gms to take in account both viewpoints, "Safe space" is a pretty subjective term....[...] Feels like a lot of work to deal with, when it be best to play with more people like minded and that way you can guild boot anyone against your ideals. @Mag7spy 1. I have reported these kinds of things, and even reported very real harassment in games. The response I received from blizzard customer support basically told me that it was my own fault for running a community. Because of the similarity, I'll add in my response to some other people's responses that basically expect me to be responsible for 'reporting or blocking' people who have offended me or harassed me. This system worked great.... until one day, playing wow, I got the error message, 'Ignore list full. Cannot add any more players to ignore list,' or something along those lines. Basically, putting the onus entirely on players to block and ignore all toxic people is unfair and tantamount to victim blaming. I'm really just asking for Intrepid to create 1 server where they militantly enforce their TOS. Let's be honest, if they actually banned all people who were toxic or reported for violating the TOS, they would lose a large number of the player base. I get that. The game wants to make money, and many people are toxic. I'm just asking for 1 server where breaking those rules has REAL consequences that are swiftly and meaningfully enforced. I would see it working like this: First reported offense deserving action gives you a 24 hour band from the safe space server only. Second offense 7 day ban from the safe space server only. Third offense, 30 day ban from the safe space server only; Fourth offense permanently banned from the safe space server only. You get 3 chances, because we are all human, but by that 4 offense, clearly you don't belong on this server and you don't understand the community that server is trying to build. 2. I have joined countless guilds in WoW over the years. They ALL claim in their explicitly stated rules that they require all members to 'treat each other with respect' and that 'hate speech will not be tolerated.' Inevitably, all theses guilds tell racist, sexist jokes. They post racist and sexist memes. Disgusting memes, etc. "it's just a joke." 'Can't you take a joke?!" Well, no, no I can't. When I'm the butt of your 'jokes,' no, it's not funny to me at all. My favorite response when I start reporting guildmates for harrasment or hate speech from officers is, "well they were just trying to see who could be the most offensive, they didn't really mean anything they said, they were just trying to be offensive." AS IF THAT LOGIC EVEN MAKES SENSE? If you're 'trying to be offensive,' that makes it ok to be offensive???? Suddenly that means it's not against the rules, as long as you were just trying to be offensive. 3. I think my suggestions for how to operate the safe space server might answer this question also. I'll just add the fact that, with a 4 strikes system, and only 1 server being monitored this closely, I think it would be manageable. Most games rely on a player report system anyway. And if the server has an additional disclaimer in the beginning that even goes so far as to force people to type out acknowledgment statements, it could work. The whole point of this server is to get rid of the people who go around telling people kys; uninstall, you suck at the game, etc. Some things are pretty darn obvious. Where the gray area exists, well, that will exist everywhere else anyway. It's not like I'm asking for anything more. I'm just asking for a dedicated server that will actually ban people for toxicity that might otherwise not be total account bannable. Additionally, WoW had rp servers. It's not really that much different. On the rp server, my gonme mage was reported and forced to have a name change because it wasn't 'rp compliant,' I was told there was nothing wrong with my name, if she was a troll, it would have been ok. I mean.... how much more subjective could that have been? Yet a major game company took the time to force me to change my name so that it could be 'rp compliant' as a gnome mage. smh. In response to everyone who is saying, 'no,' to my request, I want to ask, why? Why does it bother you so much that I'm asking for a safe space? How would this hurt you or your gameplay? If you don't want to be on this server, don't. Just like rp servers, if you don't want to rp, don't be on that server. And if you want try and say rp servers are completely different, well, no, not really. It's just a server with a specific culture in mind. Our role play just so happens to be the part of a non-toxic gamer. What's so wrong with that?
Ninja Kitty wrote: » Some questions 1. If someone is saying extreme bad take jokes that are clearly very offensive towards you why not report them? [...] 2. Why not join a guild that has the same goals as you in mind or make one? 3. A server name is just a name anyone can join. [...] So how are you expecting the gms to take in account both viewpoints, "Safe space" is a pretty subjective term....[...] Feels like a lot of work to deal with, when it be best to play with more people like minded and that way you can guild boot anyone against your ideals.
Mag7spy wrote: » George_Black wrote: » Enough. Stop bashing Big brain, they hoped people bashed and used all the buzzwords hook, line and sinker. I honestly don't think they will answer my post.
Ninja Kitty wrote: » 1. I have reported these kinds of things , and even reported very real harassment in games. The response I received from blizzard customer support basically told me that it was my own fault for running a community. Because of the similarity, I'll add in my response to some other people's responses that basically expect me to be responsible for 'reporting or blocking' people who have offended me or harassed me. This system worked great.... until one day, playing wow, I got the error message, 'Ignore list full. Cannot add any more players to ignore list,' or something along those lines. Basically, putting the onus entirely on players to block and ignore all toxic people is unfair and tantamount to victim blaming. I'm really just asking for Intrepid to create 1 server where they militantly enforce their TOS. Let's be honest, if they actually banned all people who were toxic or reported for violating the TOS, they would lose a large number of the player base. I get that. The game wants to make money, and many people are toxic. I'm just asking for 1 server where breaking those rules has REAL consequences that are swiftly and meaningfully enforced. I would see it working like this: First reported offense deserving action gives you a 24 hour band from the safe space server only. Second offense 7 day ban from the safe space server only. Third offense, 30 day ban from the safe space server only; Fourth offense permanently banned from the safe space server only. You get 3 chances, because we are all human, but by that 4 offense, clearly you don't belong on this server and you don't understand the community that server is trying to build.
Ninja Kitty wrote: » 2. I have joined countless guilds in WoW over the years. They ALL claim in their explicitly stated rules that they require all members to 'treat each other with respect' and that 'hate speech will not be tolerated.' Inevitably, all theses guilds tell racist, sexist jokes. They post racist and sexist memes. Disgusting memes, etc. "it's just a joke." 'Can't you take a joke?!" Well, no, no I can't. When I'm the butt of your 'jokes,' no, it's not funny to me at all. My favorite response when I start reporting guildmates for harrasment or hate speech from officers is, "well they were just trying to see who could be the most offensive, they didn't really mean anything they said, they were just trying to be offensive." AS IF THAT LOGIC EVEN MAKES SENSE? If you're 'trying to be offensive,' that makes it ok to be offensive???? Suddenly that means it's not against the rules, as long as you were just trying to be offensive.
Ninja Kitty wrote: » 3. I think my suggestions for how to operate the safe space server might answer this question also. I'll just add the fact that, with a 4 strikes system, and only 1 server being monitored this closely, I think it would be manageable. Most games rely on a player report system anyway. And if the server has an additional disclaimer in the beginning that even goes so far as to force people to type out acknowledgment statements, it could work. The whole point of this server is to get rid of the people who go around telling people kys; uninstall, you suck at the game, etc. Some things are pretty darn obvious. Where the gray area exists, well, that will exist everywhere else anyway. It's not like I'm asking for anything more. I'm just asking for a dedicated server that will actually ban people for toxicity that might otherwise not be total account bannable. Additionally, WoW had rp servers. It's not really that much different. On the rp server, my gonme mage was reported and forced to have a name change because it wasn't 'rp compliant,' I was told there was nothing wrong with my name, if she was a troll, it would have been ok. I mean.... how much more subjective could that have been? Yet a major game company took the time to force me to change my name so that it could be 'rp compliant' as a gnome mage. smh.
Ninja Kitty wrote: » In response to everyone who is saying, 'no,' to my request, I want to ask, why? Why does it bother you so much that I'm asking for a safe space? How would this hurt you or your gameplay? If you don't want to be on this server, don't. Just like rp servers, if you don't want to rp, don't be on that server. And if you want try and say rp servers are completely different, well, no, not really. It's just a server with a specific culture in mind. Our role play just so happens to be the part of a non-toxic gamer. What's so wrong with that?
StarPT wrote: » You see, I have no issue with you wanting that, I have an issue with you attacking people and somehow playing victim once they slightly disagree with you.
