Why I put ideas here?

Arya_Yeshe

Why are we doing this?

Do the devs even read this forum?
I never seen anyone reply

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Arya_Yeshe

Alright, good to know, thanks all.

bloodprophet

To be fair Sturgeon's law applies very heavily to the forums. Them not taking time to answer every thread is a good thing. I would much rather see them doing their thing and just keeping the forums from becoming a true dumpster fire.
There have also been times in the passed where Steven used to reply in here as well. Been a while but that is probably a good thing as he tends to get excited and start talking about stuff they don't want to reveal yet. Is hard for them to change something they found later wasn't going to work but Steven said something and then the trolls freak out.

But, but Stevens said so. :'(

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon's_law

Frostywombat

Because I enjoy thinking and chatting about hypothetical game design. Also not playing a mmo atm. Bored of wow, can’t be bothered with FF as the pvp looks lame and nothing else has au servers.

FuryBladeborne

I'm pretty sure the problem with Steven or anyone from IS responding to a thread is that it changes the thread. It impacts what players will say. If Steven wants to see what players think, it is best to let the players talk.

Vyril

Let's be honest. It's the same 20 posters everyday. Unless the topic is new, or new blood. Barely anything different is being brought up.

Sathrago

I'll be honest here though. Sometimes I feel like it's a waste of time to post here because anything I post either falls flat with no responses or theres an immediate flaw with what im saying that I didnt see before posting or flat out "No" is the response.
But I just stop posting when I feel like that and ghost until i see something I do want to talk about again.

Strevi

Sathrago wrote: »

I'll be honest here though. Sometimes I feel like it's a waste of time to post here because anything I post either falls flat with no responses or theres an immediate flaw with what im saying that I didnt see before posting or flat out "No" is the response.
But I just stop posting when I feel like that and ghost until i see something I do want to talk about again.

They read the posts for sure.
But to give feedback to everybody is time consuming.
They have pinned threads where they ask for our oppinion.
Vaknar even posted on my first post/thread on the forum.
Maybe I was lucky

But I don't want him posting on each thread. I think he does an amazing job.

Noaani

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

Why are we doing this?

Do the devs even read this forum?
I never seen anyone reply

Haven't read any of the thread, just replying to this post.

We post here to talk amongst ourselves. We do not - and should not - assume Intrepid will take anything at all that we say seriously.

Intrepid are staffed with actual educated, experienced MMORPG developers (and amateur creative lead, but what ever). The very notion that any non-educated (at least in the appropriate field), inexperienced person could come up with an idea that is better than what the educated, experienced team at Intrepid could come up with is pure arrogance.

Of course they know what they should do better than we know what they should do. Any other notion is utterly ridiculous.

George_Black

No Dev has ever said anything with a weight in forums, except for announcing something.
You also need to do 2 things:
Understand where the game is going to by watching old dev updates. I would check everything till last year.
Then you need to either come to terms with what they do, point out problems with design based on what THEY DO and make suggestions.

Or go the way another guy has. Being in total denial and then QQing to milf some attention.

I for one disagree with things related to classes weapons abilities mounts and animations. But I dont disagree with any of the foundational mechanics. And I get annoyed when I see people trying to change the basics; trying to turn AoC into yet another wow eso ff14.

Dont expect replies from the devs, they have work to do. Their "replies" to feedback are shown through the Dev progress on the monthly updates.
And also, community managers arent devs.
They only make announcements and read what we type here. Some of that might make it to the Devs.

Big content creators also read what we type here. I see it, especially in their recent videos. That gets Stevens attention.

So, do what you will.

Strevi

George_Black wrote: »

Big content creators also read what we type here.

I downvote their videos whenever I am upset what they say.
I hope they read this

daveywavey

Strevi wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

Big content creators also read what we type here.

I downvote their videos whenever I am upset what they say.
I hope they read this

Just stop watching them. If we all ignore them, then they'll fade into irrelevance where they belong.

Noaani

daveywavey wrote: »

Strevi wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

Big content creators also read what we type here.

I downvote their videos whenever I am upset what they say.
I hope they read this

Just stop watching them. If we all ignore them, then they'll fade into irrelevance where they belong.

I have to agree.

If a content creator is doing anything other than just presenting information on an MMO, I am not interested.

I dont care about watching someone else play a game - that is an huge waste of time. I also dont care about someone else's opinion on things, as a general rule (unless they are someone I know). I prefer to form my own opinion on things rather than follow the "my favorite creator said X, therefore my opinion has to be X" like far too many people do these days.

Dygz

Depraved wrote: »

i dont think devs read the forums. community managers, mods do though. then they may pass feedback to steven or the devs.

but yeah they rarely reply...its mostly just vaknar and mostly when things get too out of control.

Vaknar also posts in threads that he likes and asks for more details.
But, Vaknar is a Community Manager, so he is unlikely to provide a Designer answer.
Steven is way more likely to answer a question in Discord than he is in the Forums.
But, I think he also doesn't interact in Discord as much as he used to.

Arya_Yeshe

I got an idea, the best for the community and for the devs:

players talk among themselves and form their opinions in many threads
when Vaknar pins a thread about something we go there and deliver our opinions after we discussed a lot among ourselves

This would make their life easier and we wouldn't be spreading ideas all around the forum which would make very hard tracking everything.

Mayte that's the best for everybody.

CROW3

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

I got an idea, the best for the community and for the devs:
players talk among themselves and form their opinions in many threads

when Vaknar pins a thread about something we go there and deliver our opinions after we discussed a lot among ourselves

This would make their life easier and we wouldn't be spreading ideas all around the forum which would make very hard tracking everything.

Mayte that's the best for everybody.

so... do what we've been doing for the past 4 years? Ok. Good idea!

Arya_Yeshe

See?
That's how awesome I am

bloodprophet

Good idea.
But far to many still choose to sally forth and start 10 threads about the same thing.
Happens after most live streams. Sometimes just because it's Tuesday.

Arya_Yeshe

@bloodprophet I forgot to tell you, in case you were replying to me all along, I muted you a long time ago mmmkey

Because you don't make constructive posts, you just keep poking people in an annoying way

Spif

Why would you think someone can't keep up with what's here? I come in every few days, read the first page's worth of posts, skimming for things that look interesting or informative. Sometimes I go to the second page and read a bit more.

Do I dig into the bickering on something like the DPS meter thread? Hell no.

An hour or two every few days gets me a feel on 90% of what is being discussed, including a good read on some of the more interesting threads. If it's someone's job, I'm sure they can at least skim it all. And I don't doubt that some devs/designers do read up on topics that relate to what they are working on.

Devs should not post in response to player questions. That thread will just get swarmed and be out of hand quickly. That's a waste of everyone's time.

Obviously, they read the [Feedback Requested] threads the most.

Depraved

summoning @Vaknar and @MargaretKrohn for no reason

pls dont ban me T_T

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