I don't care for transmog. And i the minority? Where do you stand on it?

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I kinda agree with the sentiment but I will tell you something that I have said many times before.

Mmos dont cost as little to develop as they used to 20-25 years ago. They need extra source of revenue to break even and maintain the quality of performance and content. Cosmetics and and looks are a great source of revenue, if not the best, if mmos want to avoid going P2W.

You can't expect players NOT to want to change their appearance. Players now want to show off via looks, more than they care to show their skill in combat. How do you expect a studio to make money after developing a AAA (and maintaining it [both gameplay balance and hardeware], and making new content for it) without having more sources of income AND without going p2w?
No AAA mmo has done that. Give it a rest. It's 2022.

Azherae

Hate it.

Gear designers can git gud instead.

Dyes and minor 'modes' for gear, fine. Cosmetics, sorta fine. Between these two, I would like to believe we can manage.

If we can't, then so be it, but generally transmog annoys me.

Ludullu

I fucking hate it with the biggest and brightest burning passion possible. The world would be better off w/o it, if not for its monetization. It's a necessary evil.

Settite

George_Black wrote: »

I kinda agree with the sentiment but I will tell you something that I have said many times before.

Mmos dont cost as little to develop as they used to 20-25 years ago. They need extra source of revenue to break even and maintain the quality of performance and content. Cosmetics and and looks are a great source of revenue, if not the best, if mmos want to avoid going P2W.

You can't expect players NOT to want to change their appearance. Players now want to show off via looks, more than they care to show their skill in combat. How do you expect a studio to make money after developing a AAA (and maintaining it [both gameplay balance and hardeware], and making new content for it) without having more sources of income AND without going p2w?
No AAA mmo has done that. Give it a rest. It's 2022.

Well at no point did I say it shouldn't be done in any way shape or form. I obviously understand why it's present in most games, I just don't care for it.

Settite

Azherae wrote: »

Hate it.

Gear designers can git gud instead.

Dyes and minor 'modes' for gear, fine. Cosmetics, sorta fine. Between these two, I would like to believe we can manage.

If we can't, then so be it, but generally transmog annoys me.

Dyes and 'modes' I like. Allows you to put a spin on it without it looking like entirely different gear.

Settite

NiKr wrote: »

I fucking hate it with the biggest and brightest burning passion possible. The world would be better off w/o it, if not for its monetization. It's a necessary evil.

I feel u on that.

George_Black

Settite wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

I kinda agree with the sentiment but I will tell you something that I have said many times before.

Mmos dont cost as little to develop as they used to 20-25 years ago. They need extra source of revenue to break even and maintain the quality of performance and content. Cosmetics and and looks are a great source of revenue, if not the best, if mmos want to avoid going P2W.

You can't expect players NOT to want to change their appearance. Players now want to show off via looks, more than they care to show their skill in combat. How do you expect a studio to make money after developing a AAA (and maintaining it [both gameplay balance and hardeware], and making new content for it) without having more sources of income AND without going p2w?
No AAA mmo has done that. Give it a rest. It's 2022.

Well at no point did I say it shouldn't be done in any way shape or form. I obviously understand why it's present in most games, I just don't care for it.

The sky is blue outside my window. What color is it where you are at rn? Since we just talk about meaningless stuff

Settite

George_Black wrote: »

Settite wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

I kinda agree with the sentiment but I will tell you something that I have said many times before.

Mmos dont cost as little to develop as they used to 20-25 years ago. They need extra source of revenue to break even and maintain the quality of performance and content. Cosmetics and and looks are a great source of revenue, if not the best, if mmos want to avoid going P2W.

You can't expect players NOT to want to change their appearance. Players now want to show off via looks, more than they care to show their skill in combat. How do you expect a studio to make money after developing a AAA (and maintaining it [both gameplay balance and hardeware], and making new content for it) without having more sources of income AND without going p2w?
No AAA mmo has done that. Give it a rest. It's 2022.

Well at no point did I say it shouldn't be done in any way shape or form. I obviously understand why it's present in most games, I just don't care for it.

The sky is blue outside my window. What color is it where you are at rn? Since we just talk about meaningless stuff

Cool story bro.

Voxtrium

Definitely dislike it, I appreciate IS comment regarding making cosmetics as aesthetically pleasing as in game achievable, hopefully that means that the in game achievable are a distinguishable so when someone sees Nikr in his Dragon bone shard plate Legendary armor they know he got it from the recent world map boss spawn and not the shop.

TyranthraxusEQ

I love it, saves me looking to gear for a specific look. To use an EQ example, Gates of Discord Fleshbiter, one of the best weapons in the game in era, worst graphic of any weapon in any game. Refused to use one based on that alone until the weapon skins made it functionally stomachable. I tend to pick a look I like for my character, weapons and armor included and never change it. 5 years down the road I look the same as I did at level 30 at level 110.

Blindside

I like mix and matching the skins from different armor and weapon pieces to make cool outfits, but the issue with this is the readability in combat can be poor if different gear pieces affect the way you play around them.

Guild Wars 2 has an option called "Standard Models" (you can turn this setting on and off at any time for both enemies and allies) which makes everyone look like humans with basic armor for their respective armor weights. In the case of Ashes, they could make it so it displays the actual armor pieces instead of the reskinned versions.

This is a good middle ground as it allows people to transmog while giving others the option to have additional clarity in combat if they choose.

Electronn

HATE IT.

@Vaknar please see this thread and take note of the sentiment.

Rhorden

I personally don't care for transmogs but I get other people like them and a game should be set up to allow an individual to play the way they want, within reason. The area I draw a hard line on transmogs is pvp. Gear identifies where your stats are at, possible special abilities and are a very important indicator of how to approach a fight. In that respect they should not be allowed at all. If transmogs are allowed (and we all know they will be so they can bring in money from the shitty monetization plan) then there should be a toggle to allow people to choose whether or not to see people transmogs or their real gear. I personally don't ever want to see tranmogs. Wear the real gear or gtfo.

Dolyem

Somewhat indifferent. I enjoy being able to tell what a player is wearing so I know what I am dealing with which makes me not want transmog. On the other hand I enjoy cosmetics and looking cool. As long as there is a way to measure the power level of gear of a target, I dont really mind transmog. BUT....I absolutely cannot stand out of place cosmetics and transmogs such as stufferton.

Settite

I agree with most of you. I think a nice middle ground could also be locking transmog to weapon type or armor type. I.e you can't transmog plate armor into a robe or and axe into a sword. I also like the idea of having a toggle that shows someone's actual gear instead of their transmogged gear, especially for pvp purposes.

Strevi

They made this one day ago...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GXLVn73yRY

... then this thread was born

Settite

Strevi wrote: »

They made this one day ago...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GXLVn73yRY

... then this thread was born

Lol thats quite the coincidence. I'm unfamiliar with this YouTuber.

Anagrov

Quite dull to see only the 10ish BIS armor sets running around in the gameworld (worst case scenario here), so I kinda like transmog... BUT:

There are so many different levels of "transmogification". A free for all exess clownfest is a big NO for me. With certain limitations on te other hand, I very much support it. Like only gear and weapons of your sklill/class wich you've looted before or something in that trend.

Ludullu

Anagrov wrote: »

Quite dull to see only the 10ish BIS armor sets running around in the gameworld (worst case scenario here), so I kinda like transmog.

But what if those BiS sets are so damn hard to acquire that seeing one in the wild is wonderous? And what if every new expansion adds those wonderous sets even before the decent minority of top lvl players were able to get their hands on the previous BiS gear?

TyranthraxusEQ

That might be the case in a PvP only game. I highly doubt that's the case in this one. PvE means raiding content. Expect to be dealing with max raid geared characters, alot.

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