NO PVP on the Freehold Please!

Steven mentioned that only your house will be safe from PVP on the Freehold. I believe the Whole Freehold should be a safe haven. I don't want to be attacked while I'm harvesting my crops, only to lose them in my front yard. Processing Resources, Animal Husbandry, Player Stores, Shrines, Fish Pond Production and Bard Entertainment Halls should not be interrupted by PVP. I don't want players waiting outside my door blocking me from harvesting my crops or interrupting my genetic manipulation of the latest mount that I just acquired. Please expand the SAFE AREA to the WHOLE FREEHOLD. Thanks.

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Ludullu

Yeah, they changed it from "no pvp in freehold's footprint" to this. Don't really know why. It's not like the additional 2-3 seconds of running away would change things.

Songcaller

No risk/reward if you can farm and warehouse stuff without siege intervention.

Arya_Yeshe

Stop crying!

Come back to your senses and realized this works both ways, you can attack others too when they are dancing around their flowers in their gardens.

If people are in the open, they should be attacked.

What Tuco Salamanca would say?

You can also bait people like that... pretend you are a little carebear picking flowers, minding your own business, when the evil men come then ambush them.

Arya_Yeshe

Carebears fail seeing opportunities, they only see opportunities as disturbances in their hoarding.

Blip

Carebears will always complaind and scream until they get there way. And ruin another game.

Voxtrium

As a hardcore PVP player and one of the kind of players who will almost certainly play this game in a PVP context 80+% of the time I wholeheartedly agree. I do not want to be rekt in my freehold unless the node I am in is under siege. I will absolutely not enjoy PVP within the half acre confines of my freehold so please allow me an area that I can go afk in, or absentmindedly farm in. I don't want to always be on my toes sometimes I wanna be on my ass.

Noaani

NiKr wrote: »

Yeah, they changed it from "no pvp in freehold's footprint" to this. Don't really know why. It's not like the additional 2-3 seconds of running away would change things.

It prevents people setting up their own personal PvP safe zone in the middle of no where.

Imagine I attack you, and we fight for a bit. You are probably better at PvP than I am, so are winning. All of a sudden though, your attacks give you an error message that you cant attack me any more - because my freehold is right here, I just havent put any buildings or anything on it so you didnt realise it was a freehold.

Clearly, that is stupid.

Yet that was not only possible, but viable as a way of setting up a virtu barricade around some resource spawns or other points of interest.

With this change, not only will you now see the building I am required to have in order to have a PvP free zone, but I would presumably need to open the door as well (an act which Intrepid could easily require you to be out of combat for).

Not only is this a good change, it was ide tidied by the community as a needed change about 4 years ago.

Noaani

Blip wrote: »

Carebears will always complaind and scream until they get there way. And ruin another game.

Yeah, dont you hate it when carebears demand fewer areas to be safe from PvP!

Either you dont understand what this change is, or you dont understand what a carebear is.

Gospell1

Please make it possible to enter someone else's house and do pvp xD

Ludullu

Noaani wrote: »

Not only is this a good change, it was ide tidied by the community as a needed change about 4 years ago.

We don't know how exactly our freeholds will function and what will be required of us to build the freehold. Maybe everyone has to have a character-tall fence around your freehold's footprint, which would prevent you from shooting at people from inside of that footprint.

Also, maybe you can keep your doors open and you don't really care about who goes inside. At which point your argument of "here you can hit me and here you can't" doesn't work, because you can do the same thing with your house instead of the whole freehold (well, in context of that tall fence).

The only thing this change brings is PKers killing random farmers and mount husbanders. I can already see people making alts (even super lowbie ones) and just going around killing people on their freeholds.

This literally makes the game worse, while only addressing a single small abuse of the system that could've just been prevented by requiring a damn fence (which might already be the case).

Voxtrium

NiKr wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Not only is this a good change, it was ide tidied by the community as a needed change about 4 years ago.

We don't know how exactly our freeholds will function and what will be required of us to build the freehold. Maybe everyone has to have a character-tall fence around your freehold's footprint, which would prevent you from shooting at people from inside of that footprint.

This, or perhaps to enter a freehold you have to be out of combat.
Character tall fence would need to prevent gliding mounts as well

Ludullu

Voxtrium wrote: »

This, or perhaps to enter a freehold you have to be out of combat.
Character tall fence would need to prevent gliding mounts as well

Maybe just purple/red, cause I'm not sure how the game will treat "combat". What if being hit is considered "combat", so now a green player wouldn't be able to run away from an attacker. Mob leashes would obviously have to be considered, but that's more about limitations on the freehold placement and just overall rules for mob leashes.

Bladen

What!? I thought freehold's were entirely open to be attacked if your node falls. Why are houses off limits?

Ludullu

Bladen wrote: »

What!? I thought freehold's were entirely open to be attacked if your node falls. Why are houses off limits?

That's only after a successful siege. We're talking about day-to-day gameplay.

Noaani

NiKr wrote: »

The only thing this change brings is PKers killing random farmers and mount husbanders. I can already see people making alts (even super lowbie ones) and just going around killing people on their freeholds.

I dont see this happening - unless I missed a comment about corruption not applying to PvP on freeholds.

I mean, people are already complaining that corruption based PvP wont happen as things stand. Attacking someone on their freehold is the same as this, just without the prospect of being able to take over what ever it is they are farming - meaning it will happen even less.

And while we indeed dont know what will be required on a freehold, we should assume that it is fully customizable until we are told otherwise.

Fully customizable would mean not needing to put up a fence.

Ludullu

Noaani wrote: »

I dont see this happening - unless I missed a comment about corruption not applying to PvP on freeholds.

I mean, people are already complaining that corruption based PvP wont happen as things stand. Attacking someone on their freehold is the same as this, just without the prospect of being able to take over what ever it is they are farming - meaning it will happen even less.

It's gonna be rare in normal situations, where people are close to other players in farming/gathering locations. But freeholds will be the most anti-pvp gameplay, so majority of people would never expect getting killed there. And most likely freeholds will be quite away from any other players, because they'd be at some distance from mob spawns and quite likely some ways away from gatherables.

And people are way more likely to afk around their freehold and also have valuable mats on their character, because they'd be using them around their freehold. Obviously people can just run back into their house if they're not afk, but then the PKer is preventing the player from enjoying their non-pvp gameplay.

And while pvping someone around gatherables or mobs would be more understandable for people (considering it's an owpvp game), getting attacked literally on your land, while participating in the most solo-friendly content in the game, would feel really fucking bad.

I'd imagine that majority of anti-pvp players would rather have a fence around their freehold than get attacked randomly on it.

Depraved

jump the fenceeeeeeee

Noaani

NiKr wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

I dont see this happening - unless I missed a comment about corruption not applying to PvP on freeholds.

I mean, people are already complaining that corruption based PvP wont happen as things stand. Attacking someone on their freehold is the same as this, just without the prospect of being able to take over what ever it is they are farming - meaning it will happen even less.

It's gonna be rare in normal situations, where people are close to other players in farming/gathering locations. But freeholds will be the most anti-pvp gameplay, so majority of people would never expect getting killed there. And most likely freeholds will be quite away from any other players, because they'd be at some distance from mob spawns and quite likely some ways away from gatherables.

And people are way more likely to afk around their freehold and also have valuable mats on their character, because they'd be using them around their freehold. Obviously people can just run back into their house if they're not afk, but then the PKer is preventing the player from enjoying their non-pvp gameplay.

And while pvping someone around gatherables or mobs would be more understandable for people (considering it's an owpvp game), getting attacked literally on your land, while participating in the most solo-friendly content in the game, would feel really fucking bad.

I'd imagine that majority of anti-pvp players would rather have a fence around their freehold than get attacked randomly on it.

I mean, if you afk, be in your house. This isnt much of a reason at all.

You have no real reason to have mats on you outside on your freehold - other than those you just harvested. Keep your crafting stations inside.

Since you are right by your bulk storage, you can just offload your mats as you are harvesting. You really have no excuse to have much on you while on your freehold - to the point where people shouldn't expect to have much at all drop from people on their freehold.

And sure, it would suck to be killed on your freehold, but imo that is no where near as bad as being attacked while trying to take on an actual difficult top end boss with your guild. These two situations are honestly not even in the same league in terms of how much each one would suck.

Voxtrium

Noaani wrote: »

I mean, if you afk, be in your house. This isnt much of a reason at all.

You have no real reason to have mats on you outside on your freehold - other than those you just harvested. Keep your crafting stations inside.

Since you are right by your bulk storage, you can just offload your mats as you are harvesting. You really have no excuse to have much on you while on your freehold - to the point where people shouldn't expect to have much at all drop from people on their freehold.

And sure, it would suck to be killed on your freehold, but imo that is no where near as bad as being attacked while trying to take on an actual difficult top end boss with your guild. These two situations are honestly not even in the same league in terms of how much each one would suck.

First off top tier processing will happen in freeholds so top tier gatherables will be held on players character all the time outside of their actual house but on their property.

Secondly your logic is because something is worse then it doesn't matter that something else is bad? I guess if the graphics are bad it doesn't matter if the combat is bad as well!

Nikr is absolutely right, if a player is working around their freehold and gets Pk'ed because they went to get a drink during their gaming session then thats going to feel really fucking bad, should they have ran into their house, sure I guess, should they have been killed? imo no

Ludullu

Noaani wrote: »

And sure, it would suck to be killed on your freehold, but imo that is no where near as bad as being attacked while trying to take on an actual difficult top end boss with your guild. These two situations are honestly not even in the same league in terms of how much each one would suck.

Well, to you, obviously that would be worse. But to any player who wants to go as hardcore into artisanry as you go into pve - they'd be as pissed off at getting attacked while doing that as you'd be when attacked on a boss.

And again, even if we assume that everyone will always afk in their house, even if they put as much stuff as possible inside their house - there'll still be things that you'll have to put outside and use outside. And now any dickhole can just prevent you from doing that content.

You have some rare plants growing? The attacker will keep your nameplate at the lowest decay state and as soon as you even touch those plants - they kill you and loot you. You have some animals that you want to tend to? Attacked and killed and prevented from doing anything. Have some processing building outside that you gotta execute an intricate action to properly use? Killed.

And I forgot the main damn point. Green deaths come with the normal penalties. All that a shitty person would need to do is just get a few alts to the same freehold location, PK the freehold owner over and over and over again until your PK alts can no longer even damage them. Your alts wouldn't have any valuable at all too, so you'd lose literally nothing, while you'd shit on a unsuspecting artisan player. And to just reinforce your shittiness, you bring a friend who'll be ready to pvp the artisan player if they ever decide to fight back against your PK alt.

This change is so fucking abusable that I can't even believe they've made it.

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