Sieging nodes, but can we raid them?

Probably a feature that should be included after launch as an update to prevent scope creep.

We know we can destroy a node and we know we have monster coin events to damage a node but it would be great if we could have the ability to raid a node. Working along the same lines as a siege except on a much shorter duration with more limited consequences.

A group of players have the ability to band together and declare a raid on a node. The raid options can include raiding a specific building like the mayor hall, residents buildings or resource buildings, the Raid has the option to choose multiple buildings but the size of the raid is dependent on what the raiding party declares as their raid target. So for example to raid the resource depot it takes a minimum of 16 players, to raid the the resource depot and the residents buildings takes a minimum of 24, each additional building adding 8 until a max of 40. So they can only raid up to 5 structures since the minimum to raid any structure is 8 with the exception of the resource depot which requires a minimum of 16 instead of 8.

To start the raid a raid a group must lock in to the slots and declare the buildings they are raiding within their target node. Once declared a notice goes out to the node providing a 1 hour window (might need more, maybe less who knows, needs to be tested to balance) that tells the node being raided that they are getting raided and that they need to put together a force. Make it so the defenders can put together 30% more than the attackers maximum force. So if the raiders attack with 8 allow 12 defenders, attacking with 40 would allow 52 defenders. The maximum raiding party would need to be 40.

So a group decides to raid a supply depot, they would need 16 players to lock in as the confirmed players for the raid, then the notification to the node would be deployed and the defenders would have x amount of time to gather a defending party. For example if a raiding party attacked the resource depot with 16 players successfully they would temporarily decrease the capacity of the resource depot for x days, maybe 2?, and loot a % of the available resources within the resource depot.

If they attacked the residents they could loot a % of gatherables and gold (maybe items)
If they attacked the mayor hall perhaps the mayor could have reduced node powers and reduced abilities to due their mayoral duties (like changes to taxes or building cost could go up temperarily)

the consequence would be the player becomes an automatic enemy of the state until the mayor clears it or an election cycle has passed.

The raids can only take place during server prime time windows.

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Arya_Yeshe

In 2022, I had to attend to 5 structure timers after midnight in the same night. That was the night the I said that I don't want to attend timers after midnight anymore.

People who aren't familiar with structure timers, beware!

Since I was the attacking team I had no say when the timers should be, the timers are defined by the defenders in that other game, which is fair.

Songcaller

The first raid I ever did I was the only player without buffs. I wasn't aware you could get buffs and I didn't know where to get them. My friend and I had to shelter in a building and guard the door. We killed a few enemies until my friend (with buffs) was slain. I died in two hits after that lol.

Depraved

Voxtrium wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

I'd rather just turn up with my lads during a node war and fight in the streets. Don't really want another objectives or rail road pvp event.

Rail road PVP event?
This gives an option for conflict outside of literally destroying what is likely 6+ months of work plus hopefully destroying a node is really difficult so raids like this could both benefit the likelihood of a successful siege while also encouraging gameplay outside of the annihilation of that node, also means smaller groups can make an impact.

are you playing with 15 other friends? xD

how long until that node can be raided again?

we already have node sieges. don't let your nodes get destroyed. you and your other 15 friends can still make an impact in a mass pvp battle!!

Voxtrium

Depraved wrote: »

Voxtrium wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

I'd rather just turn up with my lads during a node war and fight in the streets. Don't really want another objectives or rail road pvp event.

Rail road PVP event?
This gives an option for conflict outside of literally destroying what is likely 6+ months of work plus hopefully destroying a node is really difficult so raids like this could both benefit the likelihood of a successful siege while also encouraging gameplay outside of the annihilation of that node, also means smaller groups can make an impact.

are you playing with 15 other friends? xD

how long until that node can be raided again?

we already have node sieges. don't let your nodes get destroyed. you and your other 15 friends can still make an impact in a mass pvp battle!!

huh?

Depraved

Voxtrium wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Voxtrium wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

I'd rather just turn up with my lads during a node war and fight in the streets. Don't really want another objectives or rail road pvp event.

Rail road PVP event?
This gives an option for conflict outside of literally destroying what is likely 6+ months of work plus hopefully destroying a node is really difficult so raids like this could both benefit the likelihood of a successful siege while also encouraging gameplay outside of the annihilation of that node, also means smaller groups can make an impact.

are you playing with 15 other friends? xD

how long until that node can be raided again?

we already have node sieges. don't let your nodes get destroyed. you and your other 15 friends can still make an impact in a mass pvp battle!!

huh?

if I raided your node right now, how long do I have to wait before raiding it again? or raiding another node. or how long until that specific node can be raided again? are people going to be 24/7 defending vs raids?

Voxtrium

A balancing metric would need to be implemented, raids could be limited to only during the weekend (Friday/saturday) or could have an upfront cost like a siege scroll or could be limited to a server prime time window, someone stated above that server prime time is already full of events and would make the defense rather easy so they suggested extending the hours on either side for a raid, I put forth 3 hours on either side of the server prime window or 6 hours on the backend. You could almost limit it to 1 raid a day or week or 1 raid per metro ZOI per day/week something like that.

Noaani

To me, this sounds like node wars.

The objective seems to be the kind of thing a node war would have, and if you are talking smaller nodes, the scale is about the same as well.

Voxtrium

Noaani wrote: »

To me, this sounds like node wars.

The objective seems to be the kind of thing a node war would have, and if you are talking smaller nodes, the scale is about the same as well.

Yes it would definitely be something usually resulting from players at war with each others nodes, but i'm not sure your point?

Depraved

Voxtrium wrote: »

A balancing metric would need to be implemented, raids could be limited to only during the weekend (Friday/saturday) or could have an upfront cost like a siege scroll or could be limited to a server prime time window, someone stated above that server prime time is already full of events and would make the defense rather easy so they suggested extending the hours on either side for a raid, I put forth 3 hours on either side of the server prime window or 6 hours on the backend. You could almost limit it to 1 raid a day or week or 1 raid per metro ZOI per day/week something like that.

this is what we already have...if you want less players involved, just become a citizen of a small node with your friends and attack small nodes idk?

Voxtrium

Depraved wrote: »

Voxtrium wrote: »

A balancing metric would need to be implemented, raids could be limited to only during the weekend (Friday/saturday) or could have an upfront cost like a siege scroll or could be limited to a server prime time window, someone stated above that server prime time is already full of events and would make the defense rather easy so they suggested extending the hours on either side for a raid, I put forth 3 hours on either side of the server prime window or 6 hours on the backend. You could almost limit it to 1 raid a day or week or 1 raid per metro ZOI per day/week something like that.

this is what we already have...if you want less players involved, just become a citizen of a small node with your friends and attack small nodes idk?

So the complete destruction of the node involving the same amount of time to create the siege scroll as the node took to be constructed, and 500+ players is the same as a 40 player or less attack that can gnab some resources/ disrupt some buildings?

The entire point of a raid would be a way for players to disrupt a node as a small group, a targeted method that players could utilize if they wanted to. It doesn't require insane amounts of resources like the siege scroll nor the planning of a siege. Just a group of players not so different from a normal PVE raid group attacking a node with the intention of pilfering some loot or disrupting the processes within the node, or maybe even encouraging citizens to leave due to the instability.

Think about if a group raided the mayors building and as a result the node could not issue any land declarations until the building was repaired thus preventing the normal 10% buff to gatherable or 5% crafting bonus or temporarily removing the ability for taxes to be applied to wares sold in the node etc.

Edit @Depraved

Noaani

Voxtrium wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

To me, this sounds like node wars.

The objective seems to be the kind of thing a node war would have, and if you are talking smaller nodes, the scale is about the same as well.

Yes it would definitely be something usually resulting from players at war with each others nodes, but i'm not sure your point?

My point is that your suggestion is incredibly close to a system already stated to be in the game.

There would be no actual point in having both your suggestion (which in itself is perfectly fine) and node wars the way Steven has described them. Since they are both so similar, a game would need to have one or the other, not both.

Voxtrium

Noaani wrote: »

Voxtrium wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

To me, this sounds like node wars.

The objective seems to be the kind of thing a node war would have, and if you are talking smaller nodes, the scale is about the same as well.

Yes it would definitely be something usually resulting from players at war with each others nodes, but i'm not sure your point?

My point is that your suggestion is incredibly close to a system already stated to be in the game.

There would be no actual point in having both your suggestion (which in itself is perfectly fine) and node wars the way Steven has described them. Since they are both so similar, a game would need to have one or the other, not both.

Ok it seems like having the ability to target a nodes buildings outside of a sieges setting would be both more immersive and fun. Perhaps I am missing something here, what did Steven describe node wars as? I haven't heard much about them to be honest.

Noaani

Voxtrium wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Voxtrium wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

To me, this sounds like node wars.

The objective seems to be the kind of thing a node war would have, and if you are talking smaller nodes, the scale is about the same as well.

Yes it would definitely be something usually resulting from players at war with each others nodes, but i'm not sure your point?

My point is that your suggestion is incredibly close to a system already stated to be in the game.

There would be no actual point in having both your suggestion (which in itself is perfectly fine) and node wars the way Steven has described them. Since they are both so similar, a game would need to have one or the other, not both.

Ok it seems like having the ability to target a nodes buildings outside of a sieges setting would be both more immersive and fun. Perhaps I am missing something here, what did Steven describe node wars as? I haven't heard much about them to be honest.

It hasn't made it to the wiki, but when talking about node war objectives, targeting specific buildings is one of the things Steven mentioned.

The reason it isn't on the wiki is because it wasn't stated as being what the actual plan is, as yet.

Voxtrium

Noaani wrote: »

Voxtrium wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Voxtrium wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

To me, this sounds like node wars.

The objective seems to be the kind of thing a node war would have, and if you are talking smaller nodes, the scale is about the same as well.

Yes it would definitely be something usually resulting from players at war with each others nodes, but i'm not sure your point?

My point is that your suggestion is incredibly close to a system already stated to be in the game.

There would be no actual point in having both your suggestion (which in itself is perfectly fine) and node wars the way Steven has described them. Since they are both so similar, a game would need to have one or the other, not both.

Ok it seems like having the ability to target a nodes buildings outside of a sieges setting would be both more immersive and fun. Perhaps I am missing something here, what did Steven describe node wars as? I haven't heard much about them to be honest.

It hasn't made it to the wiki, but when talking about node war objectives, targeting specific buildings is one of the things Steven mentioned.

The reason it isn't on the wiki is because it wasn't stated as being what the actual plan is, as yet.

sounds kinda like Steven already thought of my original post idea then and will likely implement something similar to what he thinks fits the game. Thats great to hear!

Noaani

Voxtrium wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Voxtrium wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Voxtrium wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

To me, this sounds like node wars.

The objective seems to be the kind of thing a node war would have, and if you are talking smaller nodes, the scale is about the same as well.

Yes it would definitely be something usually resulting from players at war with each others nodes, but i'm not sure your point?

My point is that your suggestion is incredibly close to a system already stated to be in the game.

There would be no actual point in having both your suggestion (which in itself is perfectly fine) and node wars the way Steven has described them. Since they are both so similar, a game would need to have one or the other, not both.

Ok it seems like having the ability to target a nodes buildings outside of a sieges setting would be both more immersive and fun. Perhaps I am missing something here, what did Steven describe node wars as? I haven't heard much about them to be honest.

It hasn't made it to the wiki, but when talking about node war objectives, targeting specific buildings is one of the things Steven mentioned.

The reason it isn't on the wiki is because it wasn't stated as being what the actual plan is, as yet.

sounds kinda like Steven already thought of my original post idea then and will likely implement something similar to what he thinks fits the game. Thats great to hear!

Indeed, I wasn't saying your idea was in any way bad, just that it was close to what the node war system will be.

Voxtrium

It is hard to tell on forums.

Vaknar

Very interesting discussion happening around this design idea. Great collaboration!

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