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What do you think if giving less corruption points to pk at night?

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Intrepid should have the balls to add a toggle on and off PvP option, then we won't have to read carebars anymore saying that surprise PvP is griefing.

Kilion

Gospell wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

Allowing people to reduce the griefing punishment just because it's dark, goes against the whole point of system itself.

How does this conflict with the system? You just get less corruption points! flagges system will work correctly. Honestly. I would like the player to get pk status only when there is proof of his crime. PK is not a divine punishment, as the person suggested by the post above, this is justice. PK are wanted killers, not god-marked people. This game even made bounty hunters, but it's not fair that a player gets PK status without witnesses and evidence.

It is not just about law and order in Ashes though, which is my entire point.

Yes, it COULD be just a matter of justice, but in the world of Verra it is not.

Just like it is not logical that people can use a mystical power called "the Essence" to do magic. I don't see why this is easily acceptable but the fact that corruption probably has a notion of "will of the world" somehow is not something people can accept.

If that line of thinking I suggested - and mind you that is all I am doing, suggesting, the devs would have to confirm my theory - holds true, then the question becomes: Do you want to play a game with a world that has these rules or not?

Gospell1

In fact, there will be people who will provoke pvp and there will be people who will easily remove pk status

Gospell1

Kilion wrote: »

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It is not just about law and order in Ashes though, which is my entire point.

Yes, it COULD be just a matter of justice, but in the world of Verra it is not.

Just like it is not logical that people can use a mystical power called "the Essence" to do magic. I don't see why this is easily acceptable but the fact that corruption probably has a notion of "will of the world" somehow is not something people can accept.

If that line of thinking I suggested - and mind you that is all I am doing, suggesting, the devs would have to confirm my theory - holds true, then the question becomes: Do you want to play a game with a world that has these rules or not?

I can imagine if this was divine intervention, then there should have been a holy inquisition that looks after pk, but there will be bounty hunters in the game, and they hunt for common criminals, not divine

Arya_Yeshe

Why ganking in EVE Online became so big?

In high security space, miners were mining faster than the other miners, so one day people started killing each other while mining. Years later, the devs added a safety system that has green, yellow and red... so miners became even more careless and even more greedy while being using green safety and assuming that killing a miner is "griefing".

Well, historically most gankers were miners too, they were happily mining with a mining alt quiet by an asteroid belt, while the ganker alt was pretty much simply killing his competitors in the mining business.

This is what a real game is about and this is meta game, you gotta be a person with low capacity of understanding the game if you fail to see this.

Kilion

Gospell wrote: »

I can imagine if this was divine intervention, then there should have been a holy inquisition that looks after pk, but there will be bounty hunters in the game, and they hunt for common criminals, not divine

That is not the only line of thinking possible. We also don't send out exclusively religious people to stop religiously motivated crimes or to pursue the criminals who committed crimes in the name of their faith.

Just because the Gods of Verra or the Corruption itself are the source for the manifestation in players who kill greens doesn't mean that therefore only people directly involved with them can hunt them down. Also with all sentient creatures in Verra being children of Gods, the bounty hunter is in a sense also a subject with a connection to the divine.

To my point: Someone with an economic interest to hunt a corrupted player is not indicative of the nature of the corruption.

Songcaller

In theory, you can have closet corrupted people who won't be bounty hunted. Murderers however do get bounty hunted.

Arya_Yeshe

Gospell wrote: »

I can imagine if this was divine intervention, then there should have been a holy inquisition that looks after pk, but there will be bounty hunters in the game, and they hunt for common criminals, not divine

A few people in the forum expressed this.

Well... if it is a SPIRITUAL corruption, it would make sense that religious actions should be taken and bounty hunters should hunt criminals

The corruption system to prevent griefing is a failure in it's conception and the bounty hunter system will fail too, because it's a system on top of a failed system.

Arya_Yeshe

Bounty hunters should hunt people and collect fines for crimes, even trespassing and gathering in someone else's private property could be crimes!

Mining in an underground mine which you don't have permission should be a felony too.
Looting someone else's prey....
etc

No corruption involved.

daveywavey

Gospell wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

Allowing people to reduce the griefing punishment just because it's dark, goes against the whole point of system itself.

How does this conflict with the system? You just get less corruption points! flagges system will work correctly.

Because the Corruption system is there to deter the killing of players that do not fight back.

Letting people do it more easily at night time lessens the effect of that system.

Just to clarify for you: The Corruption system isn't there to stop PvP. It's not even there to stop you killing players that don't fight back. That's absolutely allowed. But if you're going to kill someone that's not fighting back, the Corruption system is there to make sure there are consequences for doing so.

Gospell wrote: »

Honestly. I would like the player to get pk status only when there is proof of his crime. PK is not a divine punishment, as the person suggested by the post above, this is justice. PK are wanted killers, not god-marked people.

"Corruption tarnishes the character’s spiritual essence. Their ability to utilize the Verra’s magic found within them is diminished.[37]"
Corrupted players absolutely are god-marked people. It's there in the lore.

Steven's expressed his vision for his game, and it is what it is. He's comfortable with the fact that it won't be for everybody. Please do go and read the link I gave you above. It might help clear up some things for you.

Gospell1

daveywavey wrote: »

Just to clarify for you: The Corruption system isn't there to stop PvP. It's not even there to stop you killing players that don't fight back. That's absolutely allowed. But if you're going to kill someone that's not fighting back, the Corruption system is there to make sure there are consequences for doing so.

Pk is just a game mechanic. This system is NOT designed to stop player killing. This system was introduced to get adrenaline and fun. Including to enter the game mechanics of bounty hunters! If Steven wanted to stop pk, he would remove this flagges system.

daveywavey wrote: »

Steven's expressed his vision for his game, and it is what it is. He's comfortable with the fact that it won't be for everybody. Please do go and read the link I gave you above. It might help clear up some things for you.

Do you understand that this story was written to explain the debuffs? And not to give some sort of mysticism to the game mechanics? In fact, Stephen allows you to make pk in his game and that's cool. Do you understand how pk works? Do you understand how players adapt to this mechanic and what tricks they use? Do you know why people kill other people? It seems to me that in your head it looks like this: "Here you killed me, for this the supreme god cursed you and now you will feel pain and will never kill other players again"

Gospell1

Gospell wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

Just to clarify for you: The Corruption system isn't there to stop PvP. It's not even there to stop you killing players that don't fight back. That's absolutely allowed. But if you're going to kill someone that's not fighting back, the Corruption system is there to make sure there are consequences for doing so.

Pk is just a game mechanic. This system is NOT designed to stop player killing. This system was introduced to get adrenaline and fun. Including to enter the game mechanics of bounty hunters! If Steven wanted to stop pk, he would remove this flagges system.

daveywavey wrote: »

Steven's expressed his vision for his game, and it is what it is. He's comfortable with the fact that it won't be for everybody. Please do go and read the link I gave you above. It might help clear up some things for you.

Do you understand that this story was written to explain the debuffs? And not to give some sort of mysticism to the game mechanics? In fact, Stephen allows you to make pk in his game and that's cool. Do you understand how pk works? Do you understand how players adapt to this mechanic and what tricks they use? Do you know why people kill other people? Do you play l2? It seems to me that in your head it looks like this: "Here you killed me, for this the supreme god cursed you and now you will feel pain and will never kill other players again"

Arya_Yeshe

if the game had no corruption system it could have a kill rights system, if you get wronged you would have the right to kill the other guy even within the city or when he is green. Would also extend the kill right to: guild, party and to bounty hunters.

Killing kill right targets would drop gear, if you pk too much then people would kill you over and over and strip you naked.

There it is, a better system with no spiritual mambo jambo as lore.

daveywavey

Gospell wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

Just to clarify for you: The Corruption system isn't there to stop PvP. It's not even there to stop you killing players that don't fight back. That's absolutely allowed. But if you're going to kill someone that's not fighting back, the Corruption system is there to make sure there are consequences for doing so.

Pk is just a game mechanic. This system is NOT designed to stop player killing. This system was introduced to get adrenaline and fun. Including to enter the game mechanics of bounty hunters! If Steven wanted to stop pk, he would remove this flagges system.

daveywavey wrote: »

Steven's expressed his vision for his game, and it is what it is. He's comfortable with the fact that it won't be for everybody. Please do go and read the link I gave you above. It might help clear up some things for you.

Do you understand that this story was written to explain the debuffs? And not to give some sort of mysticism to the game mechanics? In fact, Stephen allows you to make pk in his game and that's cool. Do you understand how pk works? Do you understand how players adapt to this mechanic and what tricks they use? Do you know why people kill other people? It seems to me that in your head it looks like this: "Here you killed me, for this the supreme god cursed you and now you will feel pain and will never kill other players again"

Erm, I think you didn't read what I posted.

I'll give you a few minutes to go over it again.

castuskrait

i'm afraid of the night

Gospell1

I'm afraid we can't understand each other. All I want to say is that you are wrong in saying that this will break the system. It will only add new features

"Because the Corruption system is there to deter the killing of players that do not fight back."

this system is needed in order to make the gameplay more fun. And hold back the Pk population a bit. And this system is for entertainment pk and those who hunt them, and not for poor pve players. In any case, they will kill you and bypass the system of corruption xD

insomnia

no. why should it. If you don't want to get corrupted, don't attack people not tagged for pvp

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