Lessons from New World MMO (Role Balance Between PVE/PVP)

After playing New World off and on since it launched one aspect of their game that I am curious how AGS will approach the issue in their game is how to balance builds, weapons, roles, between PVE content and PVP content so that each role or build is viable and fun to use in both forms of content.

In New World balance issues are a very real struggle. I'm mostly a pvp player but even in the pve I run it's clear that many roles/builds aren't viable for endgame pve.

In pvp many builds have no semblance of balance and feel really bad to interact with as you can't trade with them in a fair way so running and hiding is the only option.

I'd like to see AoC take a much better approach with much more forethought into combat design than a New World 'throw things at the wall and see what sticks, and even if it doesn't don't balance weapons/roles more than a couple times per year while leaving them in a broken state either unusable or completely dominant and oppressive to others'.

I'm a bit jaded after playing New World with games that don't have a clear picture of how they will balance roles/builds somewhat fairly so they all have a place and function in the game and are viable.

There's a long list of other issues with NW obviously as a game that I hope Intrepid learns from and avoids, but this one stands out for me of late. How would you all like for Intrepid to balance builds/roles between PVE/PVP content?

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Arya_Yeshe

Neurath wrote: »

I think you can skip summoner and Bard- summoner is jack of all trades and Bard is just buffs, but, I'd rather keep all 64 options. Tank is required for top tier pve.

I thought of skipping summoner and bard too!
But, honestly, these two could be skipped and launched in the expansion, the game would go well having "just" 36 classes.

I just think that the Tank is skippable, since you can tank a fighter.

Arya_Yeshe

Or skip just the bard, launch the game having 49 classes, it is still too much.

Songcaller

We should not request cuts if possible. The devs will tell us what must be cut. We don't want to isolate people in the community. Even a minor cut like crossbow caused backlash.

Arya_Yeshe

Neurath wrote: »

We should not request cuts if possible. The devs will tell us what must be cut. We don't want to isolate people in the community. Even a minor cut like crossbow caused backlash.

I think nothing should be cut, but skipped and only come back in an expansion.

Songcaller

Would you like your class to be skipped and put in an expansion?

Arya_Yeshe

Neurath wrote: »

Would you like your class to be skipped and put in an expansion?

Yes

If it is for the sake of investing in systems that bring content, it should be done, it is better than having too many classes and less content

Songcaller

Classes are content. We can't keep pushing for scope creep in one regard and shrinkage in another regard. The game will be bent out of shape.

Arya_Yeshe

Neurath wrote: »

Classes are content. We can't keep pushing for scope creep in one regard and shrinkage in another regard. The game will be bent out of shape.

It's not my fault that 64 classes were promised, even tough it is very attractive I would pass having that much at launch.

Also things that bring no content like the building animations.You know build something, you can see the entire building being built in real time, every pillar, plank, floor, window, etc... why have this type of thing? This brings no content either.

Songcaller

Well, those aspects have been built. It makes no sense to skip work which has been performed. That's what happened to Wildstar.

Spif

I'd guess that the majority of augments from secondary archetype are going to be formulaic. EX ranger Snipe and Rapid Fire abilities when choosing the secondary archetype of mage:

Snipe
Fire augment: Becomes AE fire damage (damage reduced x%), or adds a small fire AE on top of snipe damage
Ice augment: Adds 1-4s snare, duration of snare proportional to charge time
Lightning augment: Adds debuff (I'm not really sure what lightning does in this game. In other games it's either stun or damage reduction)
Teleport augment: This is the interesting/hard one

Rapid Fire
Fire augment: Adds burning DoT
Ice augment: Adds short snare on 3rd hit, or just increases damage because ice makes the arrow bigger
Lightning augment: Adds short move speed buff to caster
Teleport augment: ??

They do have to be really careful with adding too many debuff augments because of the way multiple soft CC's result in hard CC.

I am very curious to see what all of the class augments are going to be.

Lark Wyll

@Spif yes, the main 8 only. All 64 sub styles would be unreasonable I agree.

Lark Wyll

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

Classes are content. We can't keep pushing for scope creep in one regard and shrinkage in another regard. The game will be bent out of shape.

It's not my fault that 64 classes were promised, even tough it is very attractive I would pass having that much at launch.

Also things that bring no content like the building animations.You know build something, you can see the entire building being built in real time, every pillar, plank, floor, window, etc... why have this type of thing? This brings no content either.

There arent 64 true classes just modifiers to base abilities that give some flair or style or effect.

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