#corruptioninthecloset - Why a bounty hunter? Do Inquisitor instead

Corruption is a spiritual thing, this term "bounty hunter" is in AoC just because it sounds cute, bounty hunter has no place in this game since it is not about crime, mundane justice, imprisonment and assassinations.

A more fitting title would be "Inquisitor", who is guided by the Essence to track down and cleanse the corrupted. Inquisitors should also have quests specifically tailored to cleansing corrupted areas, such as summoning and defeating greater evils or opening/closing portals to other planes of existence from where corrupted armies are sent to attack Verra.

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Arya_Yeshe

daveywavey wrote: »

Example:
If an Islamic terrorist bombs a Christian church, they don't send a priest after them. They send the police/army/etc.
It's the same here. Even if it is a spiritually-inclined crime, the people who chase them down are the secular defence forces, not the religious orders.

Bounty Hunter is fine.

Your real life example has no place in a high fantasy MMO where there is magical spells and lore about your spiritual essence being corrupted, where people take rebirths and they may have to go through multiple rebirths to cleanse their corruption

A corrupted player needs an exorcist!! Not some nominee of the justice system

Arya_Yeshe

Hear me out:

make a special quest chain for getting exalted religious armors and titles
if people fail these quests, make them corrupted
let the Inquisitors cleanse the corruption from these newbie spiritual seekers

It all fits in, if a newbie player trying to progress in a specific religious quest chain fails these quests, he gets corrupted... but a corruption that leads to no gear drops, since he is not killing any greens. Just turn him red, then other people within the religious branch, who are called inquisitors, will go after him

If the player can progress through all that and get his titles and special religious armors, it is a great accomplishment without being just a chore and a grind

That's something loreful and appealing

Mag7spy

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

Hear me out:
make a special quest chain for getting exalted religious armors and titles

if people fail these quests, make them corrupted

let the Inquisitors cleanse the corruption from these newbie spiritual seekers

It all fits in, if a newbie player trying to progress in a specific religious quest chain fails these quests, he gets corrupted... but a corruption that leads to no gear drops, since he is not killing any greens. Just turn him red, then other people within the religious branch, who are called inquisitors, will go after him

If the player can progress through all that and get his titles and special religious armors, it is a great accomplishment without being just a chore and a grind

That's something loreful and appealing

I want the BH system they are working on. You are effectively talking about making things complicated for no reason....Corruption isn't a quest line, it is not meant to have special gameplay besides just making your life hell and has 0 incentive.

If you watched the list live stream you would have seen this directly mentioned about corruption. Rather than trying to change their system why not have a discussion on their current system on ways you think would be fun, in relation to their core goals...

@MrPockets this is the type of post I'm talking about.

Arya_Yeshe

Mag7spy wrote: »

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

Hear me out:
make a special quest chain for getting exalted religious armors and titles

if people fail these quests, make them corrupted

let the Inquisitors cleanse the corruption from these newbie spiritual seekers

It all fits in, if a newbie player trying to progress in a specific religious quest chain fails these quests, he gets corrupted... but a corruption that leads to no gear drops, since he is not killing any greens. Just turn him red, then other people within the religious branch, who are called inquisitors, will go after him

If the player can progress through all that and get his titles and special religious armors, it is a great accomplishment without being just a chore and a grind

That's something loreful and appealing

I want the BH system they are working on. You are effectively talking about making things complicated for no reason....Corruption isn't a quest line, it is not meant to have special gameplay besides just making your life hell and has 0 incentive.

If you watched the list live stream you would have seen this directly mentioned about corruption. Rather than trying to change their system why not have a discussion on their current system on ways you think would be fun, in relation to their core goals...

@MrPockets this is the type of post I'm talking about.

Uh? Take a screenshot from whoever proposed a corruption quest line and send us, post here

Take that picture right now and post it

Arya_Yeshe

I pretty much stated that a certain spiritual persue could have downfalls as punishment for failure

If the spiritual seeker fails to kill a boss or die to a boss, punish him
At least a quest chain line will be interesting and have some adrenalin instead of just being a chore

Mag7spy

Arya_Yeshe

@Mag7spy no no no

Be honest, this is not questing through corruption!
That is suffering a penalty when you fail a certain religious quest chain when you are trying to achieve something greater. If the player take such quest and don't kill a boss or die to a boss within a day, then he suffers this penalty

Corruption is still a bad thing and people will work to stay out of it, but this will intensify the experience

Mag7spy, just block me, please???

Mag7spy

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

@Mag7spy no no no

Be honest, this is not questing through corruption!
That is suffering a penalty when you fail a certain religious quest chain when you are trying to achieve something greater. If the player take such quest and don't kill a boss or die to a boss within a day, then he suffers this penalty

Corruption is still a bad thing and people will work to stay out of it, but this will intensify the experience

Mag7spy, just block me, please???

You aren't comprehending what I'm saying nor the design pillars they are working with. which makes me question why are you posting so much without doing enough research on the project if you are trying to suggest changes to the design.

They are not supporting anything quest wise in relation to corruption being a positive. IE that includes you doing a quest and failing, which means a positive if you do it correctly and incentive. That means you are adding in corruption to questing in the game when that is not the purpose of it.

This adds nothing to the experience this is not well thought out even int he slightest. And i don't' want to put effort into writing a page why it shouldn't because you are the only one that is going to believe this. Either bosses are easy and you are over leveled or the boss is strong and kills you because bosses are meant to be difficult. And then as you are corrupted you are locked out of doing the boss since others will just pk you on sight.

This idea is bad. People say plenty of ideas good or bad, but you need to be able to take criticism and understand design intentions and other peoples feedback. And then comes back with a strong idea that can fit the design goals, first piece of advice will be do not include corruption in this quest in any form or relation to the quest.

MrPockets

@Mag7spy are you trying to prove something to me? Why do you care so much about @Arya_Yeshe 's ideas? (since you seem to not like them). All publicity is good publicity...so if you don't want the ideas gaining traction, just ignore them and move on.

If you are trying to turn me against Arya, it will take a lot more than this. Both this post and the other one you called me out in....seem to be coming from a different point of view (in this case, a focus on lore) and that's OK, keeping an open mind to new ideas is generally something people think is good.

Personally, I do not have strong opinions on this topic, but I can see where they are coming from. We all know corruption's main purpose is to be a PK/PvP mechanic...but there has already been minor lore established around this. To me these ideas are mostly targeted as an expansion of that lore.

Are there rules to what type of ideas can be made on this forum? This is the general section, right? and EVEN IF these ideas are not in line with the current design, why does it matter? Are you afraid that the devs will just randomly put in an idea from a random forum post?

Mag7spy

MrPockets wrote: »

@Mag7spy are you trying to prove something to me? Why do you care so much about @Arya_Yeshe 's ideas? (since you seem to not like them). All publicity is good publicity...so if you don't want the ideas gaining traction, just ignore them and move on.

If you are trying to turn me against Arya, it will take a lot more than this. Both this post and the other one you called me out in....seem to be coming from a different point of view (in this case, a focus on lore) and that's OK, keeping an open mind to new ideas is generally something people think is good.

Personally, I do not have strong opinions on this topic, but I can see where they are coming from. We all know corruption's main purpose is to be a PK/PvP mechanic...but there has already been minor lore established around this. To me these ideas are mostly targeted as an expansion of that lore.

Are there rules to what type of ideas can be made on this forum? This is the general section, right? and EVEN IF these ideas are not in line with the current design, why does it matter? Are you afraid that the devs will just randomly put in an idea from a random forum post?

Just giving perspective on some of these post you might not have known how they react. Anyone can say ideas good one and bad ones.

And no I don't expect devs to just take random things and throw them in pretty much no chance of that happening.

Noaani

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

Be honest

@Arya_Yeshe

Small piece of free life advice for you.

Every time you want to say this (or a variation of this) to someone on the forums, the issue isnt that they aren't being honest, the issue is that you have not communicated clearly.

Nemeses

Noaani wrote: »

Solvryn wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Solvryn wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

Corruption is a spiritual thing

I got this far in and you are wrong.

Corruption is a representation of The Ancients magic.

It is a magical thing, not a spiritual thing.

Dude, you circled the wrong part.

The part you wanted to circle was the start of the next quote from Steven.

Spiritual essence tarnishes and it inhibits a players ability to use magic.

It's definitely a spiritual issue,

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Lore

Full explanation of Essence, how it's like Chi and it gets manipulated to create magic. When a players spiritual essence is corrupted, it inhibits their ability to use magic. (which is the stat dampening)

Right, so, you obviously didn't get it.

In my first post, I specifically said;

Corruption is a representation of The Ancients magic.

This was a direct quote from Steven - a quote that is on the wiki, and was even in the picture you so helpfully posted.

Now, if you go to the wiki page you suggested I read as "proof" that corruption is a spiritual thing, and you search for the word "spiritual" (or even just "spirit"), you will likely notice very quickly that there are no hits at all - the word isn't mentioned on the page at all.

So, I find it somewhat intriguing both that you fully believe the above, and also that you would suggest a page on the wiki that literally doesn't even mention the word you are talking about.

You are clearly making shit up here.

You do get your knickers in a bunch.
Made worse by the fact he is right… which makes you wrong….. again.

Chaos_Legion

Make Holy Inquisition The Divine node thingy. If bounty hunters get money or fame, the Inqusitors get something else. Magic coins, soul shards, corrupt essence, temp NPC guards for siege, party hats etc. Or make them work together, like tracking done by inqusition and execution by HH. Outlaws are the bane of any civilized society. Right?

nanfoodle

Noaani wrote: »

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

Corruption is a spiritual thing

I got this far in and you are wrong.

Corruption is a representation of The Ancients magic.

It is a magical thing, not a spiritual thing.

Corruption from magic is not the same as corruption from negative action in PvP. It is confusing but I am also fine with "Bounty Hunter" I would be up for changing the PvP word for Corruption to Hate or Reputation or some other thing that does not make the lore confusing.

Noaani

nanfoodle wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

Corruption is a spiritual thing

I got this far in and you are wrong.

Corruption is a representation of The Ancients magic.

It is a magical thing, not a spiritual thing.

Corruption from magic is not the same as corruption from negative action in PvP. It is confusing but I am also fine with "Bounty Hunter" I would be up for changing the PvP word for Corruption to Hate or Reputation or some other thing that does not make the lore confusing.

I'm just talking the source of corruption here. Corruption of Verra itself and player corruption are basically the same thing, and their origin point is the magic of The Ancients

nanfoodle

Noaani wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

Corruption is a spiritual thing

I got this far in and you are wrong.

Corruption is a representation of The Ancients magic.

It is a magical thing, not a spiritual thing.

Corruption from magic is not the same as corruption from negative action in PvP. It is confusing but I am also fine with "Bounty Hunter" I would be up for changing the PvP word for Corruption to Hate or Reputation or some other thing that does not make the lore confusing.

I'm just talking the source of corruption here. Corruption of Verra itself and player corruption are basically the same thing, and their origin point is the magic of The Ancients

No they dont.

Noaani

nanfoodle wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

nanfoodle wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

Corruption is a spiritual thing

I got this far in and you are wrong.

Corruption is a representation of The Ancients magic.

It is a magical thing, not a spiritual thing.

Corruption from magic is not the same as corruption from negative action in PvP. It is confusing but I am also fine with "Bounty Hunter" I would be up for changing the PvP word for Corruption to Hate or Reputation or some other thing that does not make the lore confusing.

I'm just talking the source of corruption here. Corruption of Verra itself and player corruption are basically the same thing, and their origin point is the magic of The Ancients

No they dont.

I'm not sure which part of the above you are disagreeing with here.

Since we are talking the games lore, not game systems, it is just an outright fact that player corruption and world corruption are the same thing. Like, that isn't really even up for debate.

We know the origin of corruption is that it is a result of The Ancients magic - also not really up for debate.

The only argument left to make is as to the nature of magic itself in Verra. Those few people clinging to the notion that because there was a single use of the word "spirit" in relation to corruption in Ashes, that must make corruption religious could make the argument that all magic is religious.

Unfortunately for them, since the term "mana" can be synonymous with the word "spirit", Steven saying that "corruption tarnishes the characters spiritual essence" (the only statement at all that anyone has for claiming corruption is religious), could just as easily be read as "corruption lowers your mana" as anything else.

What is absolutely sure though, is that in a game with actual religions, when the term religion has literally never been used in relation to corruption, the notion that corruption is religious in nature is nothing more than people grasping at straws.

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