Thoughts on rogues, tanks and fighters using mana?

What do you guys think about this? Im really hoping we dont have mana on a rogue or fighter and hope to see resorce management become a real thing down the line, gopefully they touch on this during the rogue showcase 😊

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Songcaller

Stamina for dodge and block because the people trained before leaving Sanctus. The Goddess of Creation imbued the Divine Gateways to infuse the souls with Mana. Mana is the lifeforce and corruption can turn the lifeforce askew. Mana therefore, links the souls to the goddess of creation, though the souls are free to align with other deities.

Diamaht

Chicago wrote: »

What do you guys think about this? Im really hoping we dont have mana on a rogue or fighter and hope to see resorce management become a real thing down the line, gopefully they touch on this during the rogue showcase 😊

I like the idea as long as the itemization is done right.

If I want more mana for more ability spam I should have to sacrafice some protection for it. Gear with high protection should add little or no mana to the pool.

This way, we are still required to make decisions, thereby enabling a larger variety of builds.

Noaani

Solvryn wrote: »

Explain it from a lore perspective

Asking for this - or perhaps assuming it matters - shows a lack of understanding as to what the word "mana" means.

There is obviously the biblical meaning (manna), which was said to be an unleavened bread - but I dont really go in for made up stories so I dont mind if you ignore this.

Then there is the Polynesian term "mana". This can perhaps best be described as the over all respect a person has earned in their life, from being a respected figure of authority, being wise, well regarded physically imposing or highly charismatic (usually a combination of these is needed for someone to have a lot of mana).

Then there is the Hindi term "mana", which happens to be a girls name meaning supernatural power.

So, based on the above, Intrepid can claim mana in Verra is what ever they want it to be.

Since magic in Ashes is from manipulating The Essence, Intrepid could just say that this manipulation saps a persons mental and physical strength just fighting in melee combat can. That is enough if a lore explanation.

However, if we are going to ask for lore based explanations for things like this, we need an explanation for cooldowns. If I use sniper arrow, as an example, what is stopping me - in terms of lore - from doing that again with my next arrow 2 seconds later?

Solvryn

Noaani wrote: »

Solvryn wrote: »

Explain it from a lore perspective

Asking for this - or perhaps assuming it matters - shows a lack of understanding as to what the word "mana" means.

There is obviously the biblical meaning (manna), which was said to be an unleavened bread - but I dont really go in for made up stories so I dont mind if you ignore this.

Then there is the Polynesian term "mana". This can perhaps best be described as the over all respect a person has earned in their life, from being a respected figure of authority, being wise, well regarded physically imposing or highly charismatic (usually a combination of these is needed for someone to have a lot of mana).

Then there is the Hindi term "mana", which happens to be a girls name meaning supernatural power.

So, based on the above, Intrepid can claim mana in Verra is what ever they want it to be.

Since magic in Ashes is from manipulating The Essence, Intrepid could just say that this manipulation saps a persons mental and physical strength just fighting in melee combat can. That is enough if a lore explanation.

However, if we are going to ask for lore based explanations for things like this, we need an explanation for cooldowns. If I use sniper arrow, as an example, what is stopping me - in terms of lore - from doing that again with my next arrow 2 seconds later?

I'm well aware of what mana means, thanks though.

Kilion

I don't like it but in context of what I have read about this subject from Steven and Intrepid they have made a conclusive lore explanation why every archetype in this world basically uses mana. Would I like to see stamina or so? Yes, but I made my peace with that probably not being the case or it being the secondary resource of a class at most.

I think the unique "resource mechanic" will be what we saw in some of the class previews already. Conviction for Clerics, Elemental Stacks for mages and such. Add to that all the horizontal progression and even without the different base resources, gameplay will still probably be quite compelling. At least thats where i stand now, we will see after A2 whether that applies

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Bapfi_Boandl

Noaani wrote: »

Solvryn wrote: »

Explain it from a lore perspective

[... ] Intrepid can claim mana in Verra is what ever they want it to be.
Since magic in Ashes is from manipulating The Essence, Intrepid could just say that this manipulation saps a persons mental and physical strength just fighting in melee combat can. That is enough if a lore explanation.

I love your referral to the essence. If it is called Essence instead of Mana there would be no confusen. Every class can use the "essence" and there might not be association's with other games where Mana is used. I guess it would be another small step to an unique mmo which stands out of the croud. Really great thought Noaani

Noaani

Solvryn wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Solvryn wrote: »

Explain it from a lore perspective

Asking for this - or perhaps assuming it matters - shows a lack of understanding as to what the word "mana" means.

There is obviously the biblical meaning (manna), which was said to be an unleavened bread - but I dont really go in for made up stories so I dont mind if you ignore this.

Then there is the Polynesian term "mana". This can perhaps best be described as the over all respect a person has earned in their life, from being a respected figure of authority, being wise, well regarded physically imposing or highly charismatic (usually a combination of these is needed for someone to have a lot of mana).

Then there is the Hindi term "mana", which happens to be a girls name meaning supernatural power.

So, based on the above, Intrepid can claim mana in Verra is what ever they want it to be.

Since magic in Ashes is from manipulating The Essence, Intrepid could just say that this manipulation saps a persons mental and physical strength just fighting in melee combat can. That is enough if a lore explanation.

However, if we are going to ask for lore based explanations for things like this, we need an explanation for cooldowns. If I use sniper arrow, as an example, what is stopping me - in terms of lore - from doing that again with my next arrow 2 seconds later?

I'm well aware of what mana means, thanks though.

Then why ask the question you asked?

If you were well aware, it would have been obvious that the question was pointless.

Kilion

Baldi_Boandl wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Solvryn wrote: »

Explain it from a lore perspective

[... ] Intrepid can claim mana in Verra is what ever they want it to be.
Since magic in Ashes is from manipulating The Essence, Intrepid could just say that this manipulation saps a persons mental and physical strength just fighting in melee combat can. That is enough if a lore explanation.

I love your referral to the essence. If it is called Essence instead of Mana there would be no confusen. Every class can use the "essence" and there might not be association's with other games where Mana is used. I guess it would be another small step to an unique mmo which stands out of the croud. Really great thought Noaani

The thing is that the Essence is not varying in amount amongst people. The Essence just is. But the power to manipulate it to use superhuman strength varies between individuals, hence the Essence stays the same, but the mana pool - the strength to manipulate - is different.

This also ties in with the "mortal coil" which is basically the converter. All archetypes manipulate Essence by using up some of their mana and depending on what their individual mortal coil looks like they will be able to summon cones to protect, call forth giant weapons that slam the ground or manipulate life itself to heal.
The basic shape of the mortal coil is basically the reason for why there are archetypes even though everyone is manipulating the same thing.

Just to add some more details to the basic concept of Ashes. (Source)

tautau

If they said 'Essence' rather than 'Mana' it would confuse so many people who buy after release and are used to playing games with Health and Mana. Calling it 'mana' is the correct choice.

Solvryn

Noaani wrote: »

Solvryn wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Solvryn wrote: »

Explain it from a lore perspective

Asking for this - or perhaps assuming it matters - shows a lack of understanding as to what the word "mana" means.

There is obviously the biblical meaning (manna), which was said to be an unleavened bread - but I dont really go in for made up stories so I dont mind if you ignore this.

Then there is the Polynesian term "mana". This can perhaps best be described as the over all respect a person has earned in their life, from being a respected figure of authority, being wise, well regarded physically imposing or highly charismatic (usually a combination of these is needed for someone to have a lot of mana).

Then there is the Hindi term "mana", which happens to be a girls name meaning supernatural power.

So, based on the above, Intrepid can claim mana in Verra is what ever they want it to be.

Since magic in Ashes is from manipulating The Essence, Intrepid could just say that this manipulation saps a persons mental and physical strength just fighting in melee combat can. That is enough if a lore explanation.

However, if we are going to ask for lore based explanations for things like this, we need an explanation for cooldowns. If I use sniper arrow, as an example, what is stopping me - in terms of lore - from doing that again with my next arrow 2 seconds later?

I'm well aware of what mana means, thanks though.

Then why ask the question you asked?

If you were well aware, it would have been obvious that the question was pointless.

Do note I never put a question mark at the end of my sentence.

It wasn't ever a question.

Garrtok

Why shouldn't a rouge use mana? Because it's like that in wow?

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