Why should I fight for my node?

Considering numbers given, freeholds or housing will be limited to select few. Being that the case, what is the motivation to fight for my node?
If having my node destroyed gives the small chance to get a Freehold or static housing, why would I fight for my node? The potential gains seem to be so much higher than having some mats destroyed that I store in my instanced housing.

Am I missing something here? Please correct me if I'm mistaken about something.

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Noaani

Cool, making sure before;

I dont often post my predictions on the game, even though many of them turn out to be right.

In this case though, I am going to.

My prediction is that the change that will happen (most people look at this system understanding that *something* needs to change) is that players with rights to place a freehold somewhere in a very large piece of land will be able to sell/lease the rights for other players to place a half acre freehold somewhere in that same very large piece of land.

The above is my prediction, the following is more a possible implementation of the basic system.

If freeholds can be bought at node stage 3, when that node hits stage 4 players will be able to sell or lease one smaller freehold. At stage 5 they double that and can add one more, then at stage 6 they double it again for a total of 4 additional plots.

From there, when this is added to the game, I'd like to see a range of lease options - fixed term, perpetual, first right of refusal of the owner of the "big house" decides to sell, etc.

I'd also like to see options for which party decides where the smaller freehold is located. If the owner of the "big house" wants all the associated freeholds nearby to form a small player town, go for it. If the person with the smaller freehold wants to build a long way away, they can come to an agreement with the owner to that end.

The main reason for this is that land ownership is likely to be the main way players interact with the games economy system - as much of a draw card to many players as PvP is (I'm sure PvP players would be pissed if they found out that actually only 2k players at a time can meaningfully participate in PvP, you need to wait for them to leave the game to join in).

While some layers may just offer these smaller freeholds to their friends or guildmates, that still lowers the number of freeholds that group of friends or that guild would want.

It also significantly increases the number of people that give a shit about a node and its survival. While people may become citizens of a node for religion or organization reasons, if that node is destroyed it is just a matter of joining another appropriate node. The barrier to entry is low - in contrast to thosenownong a freehold, many of whom may never own one again if the node loses a siege.

So yeah, that is my prediction.

BlackBrony

KingDDD wrote: »

All this BS about needing motivation to play a game is hilarious. You'll want to defend your node because it's fun.

Yes, you can defend node because it's fun. Of course it's fun. But it's also fun to see it destroyed and be able to get more rewards if that happens.
That's why I am asking why should I defend it.

Songcaller

That's what the changes are all about. More sieges, more wars, more conquest

Garrtok

Steven even clarified that you can bid on freeholds even you're NOT a citizen. Breaks the system even more.

Songcaller

You become a citizen once you have the freehold.

Veeshan

tautau wrote: »

Node Organizations include such things as
- Bounty Hunters' Guild
- Thieves' Guild
- Crafters' Guild
- Perhaps other guilds like husbandry, jewelry crafting, pet training, musicians, tavern keepers, cooks, beer distillers and other unknowns

Guild halls in nodes, with currently unknown (but probably juicy) benefits
Node caravans, caravan building for larger, faster and substantially more profitable caravans
Alliances and other diplomatic relations with other nodes
The ability to declare players as KoS enemies of the node
...and others

The benefits of node types
Military, probably weapons, armor, buffs, titles
Scientific, fast travel to nodes, potential buffs and enhancements, titles
Religious, weapon and armor enhancements depending on the religions present in the city, religious advancements including buffs and titles and private dungeons
Merchant, instant access to vassal node markets and far away markets, other yet unknown paths to riches

I'll make a prediction that players who are active in their nodes will have distinct advantages over those who aren't

Economy node you will probaly need to be citizen ship to list items on them i suspect aswell, buying from AH probaly wont need it but listing items probaly will

Veeshan

Neurath wrote: »

You become a citizen once you have the freehold.

gotta be the citizen of a node to do the quest to allow one to buy a freehold and if they do it right they would also make it so you need to be a citizen for a duration before u even qualify for it so people cant bounce around looking for freeholds.

Songcaller

Veeshan wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

You become a citizen once you have the freehold.

gotta be the citizen of a node to do the quest to allow one to buy a freehold and if they do it right they would also make it so you need to be a citizen for a duration before u even qualify for it so people cant bounce around looking for freeholds.

No, i was correct. you can bid on a parcel without being a citizen according to Discord Q+A.

Veeshan

Neurath wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Neurath wrote: »

You become a citizen once you have the freehold.

gotta be the citizen of a node to do the quest to allow one to buy a freehold and if they do it right they would also make it so you need to be a citizen for a duration before u even qualify for it so people cant bounce around looking for freeholds.

No, i was correct. you can bid on a parcel without being a citizen according to Discord Q+A.

yeah makes sense to me now that i think about it i didnt read any of the discord Q/A only what was in the livestream but if i recall housing is a requirement for citizenship so yes you are correct here and i was mistaken

Percimes

Well, buying a home in a node was always a way to gain access to citizenship, not the other way around. Not sure why it would be different for freeholds.

KingDDD

BlackBrony wrote: »

KingDDD wrote: »

All this BS about needing motivation to play a game is hilarious. You'll want to defend your node because it's fun.

Yes, you can defend node because it's fun. Of course it's fun. But it's also fun to see it destroyed and be able to get more rewards if that happens.
That's why I am asking why should I defend it.

If you are attacking you cannot get rewards if the siege is defensed successfully likewise, the inverse is true. You will want to defend/attack for a variety of selfish/communal benefits based off a swath of motivations. In addition, sieges are just fun. Folks will be lining up to join or leave nodes to participate in sieges simply for that.

Zaro

I'd imagine there could be some destruction when node gets taken, witch could disrupt the access to something temporarily, when it's getting fixed. Then theres also the risk of taxes going up and progression halted, if the attacker is another node subjucating.

But yes, sometimes the bottom ones benefit from regime changes and have to be lured with money to do the fighting.

BlackBrony

KingDDD wrote: »

BlackBrony wrote: »

KingDDD wrote: »

All this BS about needing motivation to play a game is hilarious. You'll want to defend your node because it's fun.

Yes, you can defend node because it's fun. Of course it's fun. But it's also fun to see it destroyed and be able to get more rewards if that happens.
That's why I am asking why should I defend it.

If you are attacking you cannot get rewards if the siege is defensed successfully likewise, the inverse is true. You will want to defend/attack for a variety of selfish/communal benefits based off a swath of motivations. In addition, sieges are just fun. Folks will be lining up to join or leave nodes to participate in sieges simply for that.

Not from the war itself, but you can benefit by having potential access to bid on a house or freehold. Plus the more nodes are destroyed, the more money the large guilds are spending

KingDDD

BlackBrony wrote: »

KingDDD wrote: »

BlackBrony wrote: »

KingDDD wrote: »

All this BS about needing motivation to play a game is hilarious. You'll want to defend your node because it's fun.

Yes, you can defend node because it's fun. Of course it's fun. But it's also fun to see it destroyed and be able to get more rewards if that happens.
That's why I am asking why should I defend it.

If you are attacking you cannot get rewards if the siege is defensed successfully likewise, the inverse is true. You will want to defend/attack for a variety of selfish/communal benefits based off a swath of motivations. In addition, sieges are just fun. Folks will be lining up to join or leave nodes to participate in sieges simply for that.

Not from the war itself, but you can benefit by having potential access to bid on a house or freehold. Plus the more nodes are destroyed, the more money the large guilds are spending

What is not from the war itself?

Songcaller

You can gain a lot from the war...depends how loot is distributed. Could even make enough to buy a freehold.

BlackBrony

KingDDD wrote: »

BlackBrony wrote: »

KingDDD wrote: »

BlackBrony wrote: »

KingDDD wrote: »

All this BS about needing motivation to play a game is hilarious. You'll want to defend your node because it's fun.

Yes, you can defend node because it's fun. Of course it's fun. But it's also fun to see it destroyed and be able to get more rewards if that happens.
That's why I am asking why should I defend it.

If you are attacking you cannot get rewards if the siege is defensed successfully likewise, the inverse is true. You will want to defend/attack for a variety of selfish/communal benefits based off a swath of motivations. In addition, sieges are just fun. Folks will be lining up to join or leave nodes to participate in sieges simply for that.

Not from the war itself, but you can benefit by having potential access to bid on a house or freehold. Plus the more nodes are destroyed, the more money the large guilds are spending

What is not from the war itself?

Static housing and freeholds are lost when node is destroyed.
Tons of materials are lost when a node is destroyed.
Those things create opportunities for selling goods, materials and many things.
Even carrying shit around will be a service. Someone could pay you to transfer max inventory of materials. Yes, you could die, but would only lose X% if you fight back.

Chicago

Neurath wrote: »

There is no point in even joining a node. You can use the in node services without citizenship. Also use the in node banks without citizenship, use the auction house in an economic node without citizenship and do quests without citizenship. Thus, what is the point in citizenship except to pay taxes?

agre, but there are some reasons to join, for example, joining the military node lets you become a bounty hunter etc

Songcaller

Yeah I know about the bounty hunter part and parcel. Yet, I don't think it will be worth the taxation.

Depraved

BlackBrony wrote: »

Considering numbers given, freeholds or housing will be limited to select few. Being that the case, what is the motivation to fight for my node?
If having my node destroyed gives the small chance to get a Freehold or static housing, why would I fight for my node? The potential gains seem to be so much higher than having some mats destroyed that I store in my instanced housing.

Am I missing something here? Please correct me if I'm mistaken about something.

because you or your freinds might have a freehold in said node. you might also have stuff stored in that node and you dont want the node to be destroyed so that other people wont lose your stuff. also, you have a developed node so you dont want to lose that as well..

Dhaiwon

Depraved wrote: »

Well you are not wrong. Despite that, the question of whether we have accidentally incentivized "betrayal" over loyalty with the information shared in the last stream is one question that wont really leave my head.

I mean, we have made Freeholds very lucrative, and if there is none to be had, well... I foresee a lot of people suddenly being busy elsewhere on the day of the siege. Or even have their alts join in on the other side. In fact, with how petty people can be, it wouldn't even suprise me if the people that cant even afford one will also stay out of it based on a "if I cant have it, why should they?"-mentality. People can be really nasty critters sometimes :S

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