The freehold mechanic that will ruin the game

It seems to me that intrepid are going back to the roots and making the leveling journey exciting and long, stating it could take up to a month? My fearis that freehold land plots unlocking at 50 will cause a huge majority of the player base to just skip most of the leveling experience in general and use the alpga 2 to refine leveling routs just to ensure they are able to purchase the land, what can be done to prevent this? Maybe make freeholds only unlock 2 months after launch?

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Talents

I disagree with Freeholds requiring level 50 incentivising "rushing".

My reason being that Freeholds were going to be hard to get anyway. Steven said a few months ago that it'd be a monumental achievement to obtain one. You almost certainly wouldn't have the resources to obtain a Freehold prior to level 50 anyway.

The level 50 requirement just makes it harder for people to make new accounts to claim freehold plots. If there was no level 50 requirement, people could just make a new account, transfer gold from their main, and instantly acquire a Freehold plot.

TonyOnTap

Not everything in game is meant to be accessible to all players. That being said. Freeholds are NOT supposed to be owned by casual players.

If you’re not striving to achieve max lvl, to be the best at pvp/pve. To be the top crafter as soon as possible. Then you will finish last. And you shouldn’t expect to be able to have/do the same things as the top players.

Not everyone will get a participation trophy.

iccer

Vaknar wrote: »

Just to make sure I understand, OP - Your concern is that other players may rush through the leveling experience during testing?

What @Noaani has said.

Also, I thought leveling experience would be more important. I thought Ashes was going to move away from the current MMO design of just having you rush to the endgame as fast as possible, where the real content begins, and everything during leveling is mostly irrelevant.

Freeholds being locked to max level kinda feels like that, it's content gated behind max level (won't say for no reason, because there is a reason for it).

I do understand there need to be some limitations, but maybe the requirement would be a certain currency that you obtain during your gameplay (coincidentally, you would get enough of it to unlock Freeholds at around level 50, but the difference here is that it's not the level that's locking you out, it's the amount of currency you have). The difference here is, it doesn't really push you to level up as fast as possible to unlock a Freehold, you might just obtain enough currency before lvl 50, if you really wish to do it.

Idk just throwing out random ideas, this is the most irrelevant of the problems with Freeholds anyways.

Chicago

iccer wrote: »

Vaknar wrote: »

Just to make sure I understand, OP - Your concern is that other players may rush through the leveling experience during testing?

What @Noaani has said.

Also, I thought leveling experience would be more important. I thought Ashes was going to move away from the current MMO design of just having you rush to the endgame as fast as possible, where the real content begins, and everything during leveling is mostly irrelevant.

Freeholds being locked to max level kinda feels like that, it's content gated behind max level (won't say for no reason, because there is a reason for it).

I do understand there need to be some limitations, but maybe the requirement would be a certain currency that you obtain during your gameplay (coincidentally, you would get enough of it to unlock Freeholds at around level 50, but the difference here is that it's not the level that's locking you out, it's the amount of currency you have). The difference here is, it doesn't really push you to level up as fast as possible to unlock a Freehold, you might just obtain enough currency before lvl 50, if you really wish to do it.

Idk just throwing out random ideas, this is the most irrelevant of the problems with Freeholds anyways.

Seems like a good idea to me, in my opinion just scrap the level 4 and 5 crafting being gated behind freeholds all together and make them a bragging right aspect of the game, gating a mechanic that id a massive part of end game progression to 5% of the players is just not good game design, atleast make there be another way for us to aquire it

Songcaller

How have we gone from 20% of all players, to 10% of all players to 5% of all players?

Chicago

Neurath wrote: »

How have we gone from 20% of all players, to 10% of all players to 5% of all players?

Where did you get 20% from lol, i dont know the exact numbers but basically i did it this way

50,000 accounts per server
1 freehold per acc
Low thousands of available plots? 2-4000?
So if its 3k plots with 50,000 accounts its about 7%, dont quote me im not great at math lol

Songcaller

It was 20% because 8 people per family, 1 freehold per account, 50,000 players per server and 2,000 to 3,000 freeholds. I think it was Lineker's maths

I actually get 48% though so I'm not sure what's correct and what's hearsay.

Vyril

Vaknar wrote: »

Just to make sure I understand, OP - Your concern is that other players may rush through the leveling experience during testing?

OP is afraid other players will play the game how they want, instead of how OP wants them to play.

Which is nobody should rush to 50, and learning how the game works in A2.

Chicago

Definitley needs to be tested in A2 i think mate,

, personally im not a huge fan of the family mechanic to use freeholds, as the way i understood it the family mechanic let you fast travel to your friends, now you are sorta locked into almost paying to join a family to use their artisan equiptment haha just my opinion though

Songcaller

I can see your point. Yet, I don't think the family system will be removed. I think Steven has doubled down on the family system and might even double down again.

Liniker

Chicago wrote: »

Well mate come up with some solutions instead of crying wich is what the forum post is about, finding fixes for things like this

Lol there's absolutely nothing that requires "fixes" my friend, have you tested A2 to know how the system works?

Chicago

Neurath wrote: »

I can see your point. Yet, I don't think the family system will be removed. I think Steven has doubled down on the family system and might even double down again.

I personally like the family system, just not having to use it to use freeholds

Chicago

Liniker wrote: »

Chicago wrote: »

Well mate come up with some solutions instead of crying wich is what the forum post is about, finding fixes for things like this

Lol there's absolutely nothing that requires "fixes" my friend, have you tested A2 to know how the system works?

I mean i know how it works because they explained it in the live stream

Dolyem

Talents wrote: »

I disagree with Freeholds requiring level 50 incentivising "rushing".

My reason being that Freeholds were going to be hard to get anyway. Steven said a few months ago that it'd be a monumental achievement to obtain one. You almost certainly wouldn't have the resources to obtain a Freehold prior to level 50 anyway.

The level 50 requirement just makes it harder for people to make new accounts to claim freehold plots. If there was no level 50 requirement, people could just make a new account, transfer gold from their main, and instantly acquire a Freehold plot.

This right here is why you want the level 50 cap. And as far as the concern of "people rushing to 50" goes, thats entirely up to the individual player to play that way. I have planned from day 1 that I found out about this game even before knowing about the concept of freeholds that I will rush my first character to 50 as fast as possible. Now I just have another reason to also rush how much gold I can make to acquire a freehold. You're welcome to play casually, you aren't being forced into the playstyle. And besides, if you have even 1 friend playing that also rushes, you and your in game family can funnel resources to them to get you all a freehold to use.

Depraved

Chicago wrote: »

Definitley needs to be tested in A2 i think mate, , personally im not a huge fan of the family mechanic to use freeholds, as the way i understood it the family mechanic let you fast travel to your friends, now you are sorta locked into almost paying to join a family to use their artisan equiptment haha just my opinion though

people have organized themselves into families for 20 years of mmorpg now. those are just perks that you get for doing what youve been doing for 20 years "unofficially"

Chicago

Depraved wrote: »

Chicago wrote: »

Definitley needs to be tested in A2 i think mate, , personally im not a huge fan of the family mechanic to use freeholds, as the way i understood it the family mechanic let you fast travel to your friends, now you are sorta locked into almost paying to join a family to use their artisan equiptment haha just my opinion though

people have organized themselves into families for 20 years of mmorpg now. those are just perks that you get for doing what youve been doing for 20 years "unofficially"

True however, in ashes there is a CD period for joining/leaving families, i think alot of people wanted to use the fast travel aspect of being in a family to be able to group with their friends and do some casual pvp or dungeons together, my guess is now families will be used just to use freeholds but who knlws we have to test it

Depraved

cd is to prevent abuse

Songcaller

You could teleport all over with no CD lol.

Hutchy1989

If freeholds deeds are being auctioned off doesn't that imply that there is already some sort of time limit before they are sold anyway?

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