Show me what fun pvp looks like

I consider myself pretty open minded and willing to see another persons point of view. I am also open to new challenges. So, while I am not a classic PvP player, I am willing to give things a shot.

That said, what game should I try out in order to get a good feel of what Ashes PvP will feel like? What recommendations do you have, current or past, live or private server, that does not cost too much to try out, that you believe gives me the best snapshot.

I did just sign up for AA Classic but do not yet have beta access.

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Depraved

Dolyem wrote: »

I was actually discussing this with some friends yesterday and while I have never played this recommendation, Mortal Online 2 came up as the most PvP MMORPG currently. That being said it is PvP in the extreme so if you decide to look into it, go into it knowing you will die, you will lose your gear, and those are part of the aspects of the game. Definitely a hardcore point of view.

mortal 2 is soo boring tho and the combat isnt that great. but thats subjective i guess

Liniker

Depraved wrote: »

mortal 2 is soo boring tho and the combat isnt that great. but thats subjective i guess

Yea, I think MO2 is better for an overall experience than for the combat system specifically if you want to feel what would the worst-case scenario of a punishing risk vs reward pvp game looks like, there's no better option

a game were reputation matters, travel distances are huge, playing solo is... bad, a game where you will still find casuals, crafters, roleplayers but also griefers and PKers, the good and bad side of PvP, MO2 has it all - I think it's a good experience for AoC, but ofc, it's an extreme example

and as you said, combat kind of sucks, and its definitely underwhelming when you first get into and have no idea what to do

Depraved

the idea of the combat is cool, but not the implementation.

but the issue is the gameplay loop, its boringgg

Abarat

Raven016 wrote: »

Fantmx wrote: »

So, while I am not a classic PvP player, I am willing to give things a shot.

People do what they like.
You will not have a revelation.

i smell a motivational podcast in your future.

Abarat

Everquest 2 in the early days of PVP was super fun. Having a raid group have to move in the open world to the raid instance entrance and having to fight off other raid groups. It was AWESOME!

then they invented flags that you could teleport to... so one guy, in stealth, moved to the raid zone and planted a flag. Ruined everything... in the name of progress.

i also enjoy battlegrounds type pvp. 5v5 or 8 v 8 small maps with objectives. call of duty MMO style play.

Raven016

MO2 is not yet ready.
https://www.mortalonline2.com/roadmap/

daveywavey

What does Fun PvP look like...

Does anyone have footage of the Intrepid Team's 'Dino Lightsaber Battle' from the charity show?

Veeshan

Darkfall by far was some of the most memorable pvp moments for me the combat was ok/bearable (was very twitch base) but the combat wasnt what made that game great it was risk vs reward and the everyday server politics between guild cities.
early on in darkfall release literaly WW1 started between 2 faction thats engulfed 90% of the playerbase in someway till one faction was destroyed rip Hyperium.

the game flaw was it neglected PvE and was a little too high skill cap for PvP but other than that was probaly the best game ive played in regards to pvp by a long shot in the last 20 years

Darkfall is also very similiar to AoC with there system but very crude in comparison imo but was a 2009 release indy game or something that flew under most people radars outside of the pvp crowd

a few posts mention MO2 which i think is a slightly worst version than darkfall but somewhat similiar in thing from eachother MO2 just got terribly clunky combat i cant stand

Balrog21

Sadly, this game, RIFT is on it's last leg..nothing but old players, but here is a glimpse of some really fun PVP...first is a battleground with some open world pvp mixed in , and the second is pure open world fighting over a world boss.

https://youtu.be/d5mFxAWAWjE

https://youtu.be/GBH8A6HsQaU

TheHiddenDaggerInn

Ya Archeage would be a perfect choice, I have a feeling it's going to be very close to that. Although with node wars it could add a bit more spice, I believe that's where the majority of killing will happen. Not from random gankers.

Solvryn

Fantmx wrote: »

I consider myself pretty open minded and willing to see another persons point of view. I am also open to new challenges. So, while I am not a classic PvP player, I am willing to give things a shot.

That said, what game should I try out in order to get a good feel of what Ashes PvP will feel like? What recommendations do you have, current or past, live or private server, that does not cost too much to try out, that you believe gives me the best snapshot.

I did just sign up for AA Classic but do not yet have beta access.

Darkfall, Darkfall Unholy Wars, Asherons Call, TERA, Conqueror's Blade all had great PvP experiences.

That doesn't make them every ones cup of tea, I've had good PvP experiences in games I don't consider having amazing combat either, like WoW and ArcheAge.

Caww

it's really very simple - it's when I win

Vyril

Fantmx wrote: »

I consider myself pretty open minded and willing to see another persons point of view. I am also open to new challenges. So, while I am not a classic PvP player, I am willing to give things a shot.

That said, what game should I try out in order to get a good feel of what Ashes PvP will feel like? What recommendations do you have, current or past, live or private server, that does not cost too much to try out, that you believe gives me the best snapshot.

I did just sign up for AA Classic but do not yet have beta access.

DAOC and Warhammer Online

Alice

Fantmx wrote: »

Show me what fun pvp looks like

Rocsek

I actually had a lot of fun with Warhammer Online pvp when it first came out.

Example (Not my video)
Large Battle

Sorry, couldn't find any of the small group pvp I was more interested in. It was 14/15 years ago.

Ludullu

XSS wrote: »

The best PvP experience my friends and I had was oddly from a mobile game; Lineage 2: Revolution. We've been waiting to find a game that comes close to the experience we had playing L2R but have had difficulties finding one since we all play on different platforms.

I am still blown away that a mobile game (although mostly played with an emulator on PC) had such an enjoyable MMORPG PvP experience.

Nothing odd about it. They just took L2, which had amazing pvp, and made it a mobile game.

Vissox

In terms of piloting your character it seems like Guild Wars 2. From the little I played, I don't think guild wars PVP is good, but I don't think that means ashes will be bad. Overall I think it's too early to tell what would be similar, but if you're looking to practice mechanics, go run around in GW2, I'm sure something will transfer.

Kesthely

Fantmx wrote: »

I consider myself pretty open minded and willing to see another persons point of view. I am also open to new challenges. So, while I am not a classic PvP player, I am willing to give things a shot.

That said, what game should I try out in order to get a good feel of what Ashes PvP will feel like? What recommendations do you have, current or past, live or private server, that does not cost too much to try out, that you believe gives me the best snapshot.

I did just sign up for AA Classic but do not yet have beta access.

What aspect do you want to experiance? Ashes is going to have a multitude of different pvp layers.
Wow Classic probably emulates the pace of the game the best, Guildwars will emulate its hybrid system, and eve online is definatly a front runner for the risk vs reward feeling.

Ashes draws from many games, so, depending on what exactly you are looking for matters. Though no game will bethe same experiance.

Abarat

i honestly feel like this is similar to so many home town stories of the young man inexperienced in love, who needs a nudging hand.

nudge away young traveler

KingDDD

No one here has even mentioned how class design and combat roles make for good pvp. Id like to see:

Initiators/counter initiators
Heal block
Dps of all varieties (burst, single target, AoE, cleave, etc)
Zone deniers
Ccers
Buffs/debuffs
Scouts
Pushers
True anti stealth
Damage mitigation
Momentum/counter momentum

The fun for me in pvp comes from building a character and team to do a specific thing. I hope ashes looks at other genres and applies the design principals from them to their game.

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