Non consensual PvP will not exist at launch

Intrepid will 1000000% tune corruption so tight against non consensual PvP at launch that most every player will not see the same person do it twice.

I imagine it'll be tuned so tight that it will damn near brick your account just from the first time, the second time making most people uninstall.

If they don't tune it this way on launch then the game is going to take a hard and unnecessary nosedive.

Anyone who thinks that the corruption system won't be tuned like this is thinking that Intrepid is incompetent. And everything we've seen/heard so far shows us this is lightyears away from the truth.

Just for reference, I'm eagerly awaiting the time when they loosen it up, cause my plans are to gank farmers, not for mats, just because I'm so friggin tired of hearing people complain about the games PvP situation. As if it would just be so devastating that they get ganked once or twice in a week with a bag full of mats and lose them. Or that they have a little adrenaline rush and try to actually put up a fight, possibly winning.

Those people instead want to go face a boss that is predictable and that they could probably down with half their fingers, half blind, and doped up on like 4 Xanax. Or better yet go farm herbs for 4 months straight while drooling on their keyboard, watching a Youtube video on the other monitor and eating a taco with the other hand.

That's what's annoying, that these people come into MMO communities and raise such a fuss about PvP that the systems get gimped. When they aren't even really playing the game when they're on it anyways.

BUT, I love em, my best friends like this and I do hope that those people come to AoC, have fun, and hopefully either get great at player vs player combat or enjoy the fact that their pacifism is supported by the universe Intrepid has created and bricks someones account for "being a dick" lol. End of my rant

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Dolyem

There's no such thing as non-consensual pvp in a game where you log in knowing there are systems in place that allow and even encourage you being attacked by another player.

Liniker

I remembered this image, so funny

"Give me infinite gold, teleport, let me fly and let me walk inside that volcano!! I paid for the game so my game my rules!"

Abarat

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

Just for reference, I'm eagerly awaiting the time when they loosen it up, cause my plans are to gank farmers, not for mats, just because I'm so friggin tired of hearing people complain about the games PvP situation.

Such an angry cookie.

Abarat

I actually agree with the original premise. I think Intrepid would be smart to start on the "tighter" side of corruption.

PherPhur

NiKr wrote: »

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

Just for reference, I'm eagerly awaiting the time when they loosen it up, cause my plans are to gank farmers, not for mats, just because I'm so friggin tired of hearing people complain about the games PvP situation. As if it would just be so devastating that they get ganked once or twice in a week with a bag full of mats and lose them. Or that they have a little adrenaline rush and try to actually put up a fight, possibly winning.

So you're part of the problem, got it.

As for the topic, I'm gonna be giving Intrepid feedback to rebalance the corruption even more towards "the more you kill the worse it gets" instead of "kill once and your character's done existing".

The hard fact of reality is that if Intrepid didn't want people to "grief" they wouldn't have put the ability to do so in the game, period.

There are going to be those people and I wouldn't call them a problem, more like "a problem". They're content, a "F around and find out" thing. I enjoy playing the villain, though I know most people in the same boat as me are just cold blooded griefers out to really ruin someone's day full stop. There isn't much distinction between us, and that's why the system exists, for people like me, but it's going to have to be tuned giga tight for the.. OTHERS.

Depraved

there wotn be a lot of corruption early on because people wont want to get read early on.

for example, in l2 (not at first but it was eventually added) you get a newbie weapon which is decent, but you lose it if your pk count is 1...so you go back to having a shit weapon. i expect something similar in aoc, people wont want to lose their starter gear and then farm to get something from the store wasting time.

also, lots of people concentrated in the same place, which means less people pvping or going red early on

Ludullu

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

The hard fact of reality is that if Intrepid didn't want people to "grief" they wouldn't have put the ability to do so in the game, period.

There are going to be those people and I wouldn't call them a problem, more like "a problem". They're content, a "F around and find out" thing. I enjoy playing the villain, though I know most people in the same boat as me are just cold blooded griefers out to really ruin someone's day full stop. There isn't much distinction between us, and that's why the system exists, for people like me, but it's going to have to be tuned giga tight for the.. OTHERS.

It can be well-tuned against griefers w/o fucking over the people who'd need to PK super rarely and on a fully conscious choice of the consequences.

PherPhur

@Kilion

Yea he did say they made most of the data server side and made those "dials" he's mentioned several times so that they can adjust things while the game is live without having to repack and push an update.

I was just referring to how it'll be immediately on launch and shortly after.

I'm sure after having sifted through community posts for long enough they realize what a big problem it's going to be. There's almost no amount of penalties that will deter some griefers, that'll be the 2% I think. But there's a much larger percentage of people who will need it to be very very tight.

People underestimate how determined and destructive a lot of gamers are. They are a special breed

Dygz

Dolyem wrote: »

There's no such thing as non-consensual pvp in a game where you log in knowing there are systems in place that allow and even encourage you being attacked by another player.

Which is why I have 0 interest in truly playing in any meaningful way on a server you're on.
We could hang out for a while in a tavern, sure. But, I wouldn't be doing anything much besides that.

PherPhur

@LadyZel

I doubt alpha is a great representation in regards to tuning corruption. Most of the alpha players didn't drop hundreds of dollars on a key to come in and grief. I imagine the vast majority of alpha players are there for hype, support and content.

Dygz

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

There are going to be those people and I wouldn't call them a problem, more like "a problem". They're content, a "F around and find out" thing. I enjoy playing the villain, though I know most people in the same boat as me are just cold blooded griefers out to really ruin someone's day full stop. There isn't much distinction between us, and that's why the system exists, for people like me, but it's going to have to be tuned giga tight for the.. OTHERS.

Yeah... I have 0 interest in playing MMORPGs on servers where gamers consider players to be their content.

Dolyem

Dygz wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

There's no such thing as non-consensual pvp in a game where you log in knowing there are systems in place that allow and even encourage you being attacked by another player.

Which is why I wouldn't really play on the same server you're on.

Yea we have come to this understanding. In a game designed to have PVE servers such as WoW, thats another conversation entirely. There are games designed to separate the playstyles no doubt, as well as games that are designed entirely as one or the other. Nothing wrong with a game being designed to incorporate and synergize both.

I'm not on the "Dygz ain't playing lmao" crew. I've decided to be on the "If Dygz wants to eventually give the PvP a shot I would be happy to improve the experience" crew. I'd be in the same exact position as you if there was suddenly opt-in world PvP or just a massive deterrent to overall world PvP via corruption. Just doesnt sound appealing to me.

Ayeveegaming1

I think the majority of the hardcore pvp/pk people will be pirates on the open sea. No corruption there. Sure there will be stragglers here and there ganking people but it will be rare. The only time I see gatherers getting ganked is on high level harvest nodes where the risk might be good enough. Other than that, Dey B Pillagin Pirates!!

mcstackerson

Dygz wrote: »

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

There are going to be those people and I wouldn't call them a problem, more like "a problem". They're content, a "F around and find out" thing. I enjoy playing the villain, though I know most people in the same boat as me are just cold blooded griefers out to really ruin someone's day full stop. There isn't much distinction between us, and that's why the system exists, for people like me, but it's going to have to be tuned giga tight for the.. OTHERS.

Yeah... I have 0 interest in playing MMORPGs on servers where gamers consider players to be their content.

Then why are you playing multiplayer games? even without open pvp, aren't players part of the experience/content?

Wakaka

It doesnt need to be that tight. Just you getting corruption and making it so you drop gear when you pk is reason enough for me to hunt down anyone whos corupted. Its an ez safe way to get gear/gold. Its gonna be self regulated within the ahses universe im very sure.

Dygz

Dolyem wrote: »

I'm not on the "Dygz ain't playing lmao" crew. I've decided to be on the "If Dygz wants to eventually give the PvP a shot I would be happy to improve the experience" crew. I'd be in the same exact position as you if there was suddenly opt-in world PvP or just a massive deterrent to overall world PvP via corruption. Just doesnt sound appealing to me.

I mean, I've already given the Ashes PvP a shot. Both in the Battle Royale and in Alpha 1.
I will give it a shot again in Alpha 2 and the Betas. But, I'm not going to invest time in playing any of the systems or pursuing progression paths after launch.
I think lots of current fans would be in the exact same position I'm in if Steven suddenly announced P2W features.

Dygz

mcstackerson wrote: »

Then why are you playing multiplayer games? even without open pvp, aren't players part of the experience/content?

I disagree.

PherPhur

@Dygz

When the lawless open oceans got announced and you came on here saying you weren't going to play I told you I'd join your guild and bodyguard for you when you needed it. I'd be someone's villain at least.

Shoot, half the current community would come to your aid, without a doubt.

CROW3

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

Shoot, half the current community would come to your aid, without a doubt.

Yet, that same half just can't accept the subject of their attachment doesn't want to be subjected to their attachment.

Dygz

You did...
"When people try to shove cake down your throat, I will be your bodyguard and shove cake down THEIR throat!!"
No thanks. I'm not going anywhere near that crap.

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