Non consensual PvP will not exist at launch

Intrepid will 1000000% tune corruption so tight against non consensual PvP at launch that most every player will not see the same person do it twice.

I imagine it'll be tuned so tight that it will damn near brick your account just from the first time, the second time making most people uninstall.

If they don't tune it this way on launch then the game is going to take a hard and unnecessary nosedive.

Anyone who thinks that the corruption system won't be tuned like this is thinking that Intrepid is incompetent. And everything we've seen/heard so far shows us this is lightyears away from the truth.

Just for reference, I'm eagerly awaiting the time when they loosen it up, cause my plans are to gank farmers, not for mats, just because I'm so friggin tired of hearing people complain about the games PvP situation. As if it would just be so devastating that they get ganked once or twice in a week with a bag full of mats and lose them. Or that they have a little adrenaline rush and try to actually put up a fight, possibly winning.

Those people instead want to go face a boss that is predictable and that they could probably down with half their fingers, half blind, and doped up on like 4 Xanax. Or better yet go farm herbs for 4 months straight while drooling on their keyboard, watching a Youtube video on the other monitor and eating a taco with the other hand.

That's what's annoying, that these people come into MMO communities and raise such a fuss about PvP that the systems get gimped. When they aren't even really playing the game when they're on it anyways.

BUT, I love em, my best friends like this and I do hope that those people come to AoC, have fun, and hopefully either get great at player vs player combat or enjoy the fact that their pacifism is supported by the universe Intrepid has created and bricks someones account for "being a dick" lol. End of my rant

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Percimes

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

@Dygz

When the lawless open oceans got announced and you came on here saying you weren't going to play I told you I'd join your guild and bodyguard for you when you needed it. I'd be someone's villain at least.

Shoot, half the current community would come to your aid, without a doubt.

Ewww! Aside from maybe, maybe, a streamer, who would want this kind of constant chaperoning?

Personally, I'd feel more like a burden than anything else.

mcstackerson

Dygz wrote: »

mcstackerson wrote: »

Then why are you playing multiplayer games? even without open pvp, aren't players part of the experience/content?

I disagree.

Then explain?

If you play a multiplayer game, you are playing a game where players are part of that gaming experience or in other words, part of the content.

Dygz

I don't consider people content.

Moral superiority is a concept that you are adding. That really has nothing to do with my perspective.
Viewing people as content is what allows gamers to have the view that it's fun to shove cake down people's throat when they aren't in the mood for cake.
I see players as people; not content.
If anything, I'm more likely to view "content" as living beings. Which is one of the reasons I'm a Carebear and typically avoid combat as much as possible, even in TT D&D.

I play MMORPGs because I enjoy socializing with other players.
I also enjoy helping other players to complete quests.
I also enjoy seeing what fashion choices players have made and how they have built and decorated their homes.

I don't really play MMORPGs for the "gaming" experience.
I play MMORPGs primarily for the RP experience.

I agree with you that being a carebear is just a playstyle preference.
But, it's a preference caused by viewing other players and even NPCs as people; rather than as content.
And caused by viewing mobs as living beings rather than content.

Sengarden

I can try to find a link for this if no one else remembers hearing it, but didn’t Steven say in a video / stream recently that he intends for “non-consensual” PvP in corruption-applied areas of the game to be 2% of a given player’s experience? And that if this isn’t achieved in A2 then they’ll continue to tune corruption to make it so?

Dygz

Yes. Steven said that recently... where Corruption is active.

Depraved

Dygz wrote: »

I don't consider people content.

Moral superiority is a concept that you are adding. That really has nothing to do with my perspective.
Viewing people as content is what allows gamers to have the view that it's fun to shove cake down people's throat when they aren't in the mood for cake.
I see players as people; not content.
If anything, I'm more likely to view "content" as living beings. Which is one of the reasons I'm a Carebear and typically avoid combat as much as possible, even in TT D&D.

I play MMORPGs because I enjoy socializing with other players.
I also enjoy helping other players to complete quests.
I also enjoy seeing what fashion choices players have made and how they have built and decorated their homes.

I don't really play MMORPGs for the "gaming" experience.
I play MMORPGs primarily for the RP experience.

I agree with you that being a carebear is just a playstyle preference.
But, it's a preference caused by viewing other players and even NPCs as people; rather than as content.
And caused by viewing mobs as living beings rather than content.

wait now u just destroyed my brain.

if you see npc and monsters as living beings, but you also see players as living beings, why you arent ok when players try to shove cake down ur throat, but ur ok when mobs and npc try to shove cake down ur throat?
i mean i know i would not consent to a dragon or a chimera to fk my throat, but it happens anyways.

u walk near a monster, and the monster, which you consider a living being, will attack you 100% of the time (please dont say there are mobs that arent aggro as a reply, lets say they r aggro), however, most players that you will walk by wont attack you.

now im confused

Sengarden

Depraved wrote: »

wait now u just destroyed my brain.

if you see npc and monsters as living beings, but you also see players as living beings, why you arent ok when players try to shove cake down ur throat, but ur ok when mobs and npc try to shove cake down ur throat?
i mean i know i would not consent to a dragon or a chimera to fk my throat, but it happens anyways.

u walk near a monster, and the monster, which you consider a living being, will attack you 100% of the time (please dont say there are mobs that arent aggro as a reply, lets say they r aggro), however, most players that you will walk by wont attack you.

now im confused

I don’t want to speak for @Dygz , so correct me if I’m wrong, but it sounds like he isn’t much interested in chasing down dragons, either, and at the very least, chasing down dragons is optional content *within* a small part of the world. You could argue that seafaring content is also optional content within the world, but you could also argue that seafaring content is a *part* of the world. So rather than being a certain small(ish) zone of the ocean where corruption doesn’t exist (some crazy Bermuda Triangle situation) it’s the entire ocean, more space than all the landmasses in the game. The ocean also isn’t just a dungeon or a world boss lair, it’s home to an entire set of skills and content (ocean treasure hunting, sailing, deep sea fishing, group “PvE” content). I can understand why it would turn him off to the idea of investing in the game.

Dygz

Because mobs and NPCs aren't coded to be as greedy and ruthless and tenacious as gamers.
So, they are Casual Challenge encounters, competition with gamers is a Hardcore Challenge.
I can stealth past mobs and NPCs in a manner that is typically not possible with actual people.
I can easily calculate the behavior patterns of mobs and NPCs to avoid combat when I wish to.
And, if I choose to run, I can be confident mobs and NPCs will have a tether that I can out run.
Players don't have a tether. They are signifcantly more unpredictable than mobs and NPCs.
Which means gamers are a Hardcore Challenge.
Mobs and NPCs comparatively are a Casual Challenge for me. Especially when I can use Stealth to avoid them.
And - I am a Casual Challenge player.

Even when I am in the mood for PvP combat... that's going to be for a very small portion of my game session. And, when I'm not in the mood for PvP combat, I'm going to rage-quit that server if some player forces me to participate in PvP combat. This is especially true if I've already had my fill of PvP combat for that game session.
Because that means I've basically had my fill of Hardcore Challenge and I only want to do Casual Challenge stuff for the rest of my game session.

Depraved

ah got it. makes sense

Okeydoke

Depraved wrote: »

ah got it. makes sense

lol

Dygz

Also, my Bartle Score: Explorer 87%; Socializer 73% ; Achiever 47%; Killer 0%
Lots of people will say the Bartle score is crap. But I think it does great job as a kind of snapshot for my playstyle.

I am an Explorer first and foremost. My primary goal is uncover as much of the map as I possibly can.
I sometimes spend several hours just swimming around continents.
Obviously, I like to Socialize.

I consider myself to be a Hardcore Time/Casual Challenge player.
My interest in killing stuff is not literally 0%, but it's very, very low.
So, while I enjoy PvP sometimes - it's of minimal interest.

I don't really care about acquiring trophies or rewards on the Open Seas.
But, I do need to be able to explore the Open Seas without being auto-flagged for FFA PvP.
If I'm in the Open Seas it would be for the exploration of the unknown; not because I want some uber-treasure or unique opportunity that needs to be counter-weighted by ramped up PvP content. Especially not to auto-consent FFA PvP.

But... I am a Casual Challenge Carebear.
It's fine with me if Ashes is not the game for me.
It's too PvP-centric and too Hardcore Challenge for me. (Also, for a few other vocal Casual Challenge players in the TheoryForge/DOP Crew Community)

I think the gamers who love competition will love the changes Steven is making to ramp up adrenaline and foment more conflict will have a blast playing Ashes.
But, there should be no surprise that the more Hardcore Challenge becomes ubiquitous, the more Casual Challenge players may fall away.
Which, again, is OK... because he frequently says he's not making the game for everyone.

PherPhur

Percimes wrote: »

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

@Dygz

When the lawless open oceans got announced and you came on here saying you weren't going to play I told you I'd join your guild and bodyguard for you when you needed it. I'd be someone's villain at least.

Shoot, half the current community would come to your aid, without a doubt.

Ewww! Aside from maybe, maybe, a streamer, who would want this kind of constant chaperoning?

Personally, I'd feel more like a burden than anything else.

Chaperoning? Notice when I said "when you needed it"

I'm not following anyone around all the time, but if he was going to a high risk area and needed some help I'd definitely come help him stay safe.

It's part of playing in a team based, guild oriented always(I'm sorry Narc) on PvP MMO. If someone is so against playing almost the same as how they want to play, and having others who like PvP come aid them so that they can do that.. um.. they can do that? But this is how a very large part of the community will play.

I don't understand it, which is why I said it again. Makes sense to me now though, RPPVP is apparently only for degenerates, crucify us lol.

Ayeveegaming1

Is it just me, or does anyone else feel like there is a time loop going on. I can't help but feel like things keep repeating themselves over and over and over....Am I living groundhog day?

Ayeveegaming1

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

Percimes wrote: »

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

@Dygz

When the lawless open oceans got announced and you came on here saying you weren't going to play I told you I'd join your guild and bodyguard for you when you needed it. I'd be someone's villain at least.

Shoot, half the current community would come to your aid, without a doubt.

Ewww! Aside from maybe, maybe, a streamer, who would want this kind of constant chaperoning?

Personally, I'd feel more like a burden than anything else.

Chaperoning? Notice when I said "when you needed it"

I'm not following anyone around all the time, but if he was going to a high risk area and needed some help I'd definitely come help him stay safe.

It's part of playing in a team based, guild oriented always(I'm sorry Narc) on PvP MMO. If someone is so against playing almost the same as how they want to play, and having others who like PvP come aid them so that they can do that.. um.. they can do that? But this is how a very large part of the community will play.

I don't understand it, which is why I said it again. Makes sense to me now though, RPPVP is apparently only for degenerates, crucify us lol.

I am all for RP PVP. UO Europa shard BOC

We where at war with trinsic and yew!

PherPhur

Sengarden wrote: »

I can try to find a link for this if no one else remembers hearing it, but didn’t Steven say in a video / stream recently that he intends for “non-consensual” PvP in corruption-applied areas of the game to be 2% of a given player’s experience? And that if this isn’t achieved in A2 then they’ll continue to tune corruption to make it so?

I said this earlier in the thread, but I think Alpha 2 is an absolutely terrible representation of how the corruption will need to be tuned.

Surely most people that dropped hundreds on an alpha key are there for hype, content and support. Most of the crazies will come after launch.

And I'm sure Intrepid knows this and will still launch with insanely rough penalties on corruption. It's way too hot of a topic dude, even amongst people who have been on the forums for years now, who have one of the more successful Youtube channels regarding AoC and even has done several live QnA with Steven. Who said he's not even going to play because of the griefing...

They will play it very safe instead of being very sorry, anyone who doesn't think so is coping hard.

Steven however did say that much of the servers data is held server side and those "dials" he has will be used to tune the game live. It will absolutely launch tightly tuned and will be adjusted to 2% delicately afterwards.

George_Black

Ravicus wrote: »

Is it just me, or does anyone else feel like there is a time loop going on. I can't help but feel like things keep repeating themselves over and over and over....Am I living groundhog day?

I feel like Dygz is holding a lolipop in front of yall and you keep licking it, and he feels pleased enough with himself to keep talking to you about his other desires.

Aside from this thread being ridiculous as is, the same stuff is filling pages upon pages in other topics as well.
Imagine being a dev, working on Ashes of Creation, looking for feedback, and you stumble on this guy talking about his "contributions" about a different mmo in the future, that he helps develop "faster".

mcstackerson

Dygz wrote: »

I don't consider people content.

Moral superiority is a concept that you are adding. That really has nothing to do with my perspective.
Viewing people as content is what allows gamers to have the view that it's fun to shove cake down people's throat when they aren't in the mood for cake.
I see players as people; not content.
If anything, I'm more likely to view "content" as living beings. Which is one of the reasons I'm a Carebear and typically avoid combat as much as possible, even in TT D&D.

I play MMORPGs because I enjoy socializing with other players.
I also enjoy helping other players to complete quests.
I also enjoy seeing what fashion choices players have made and how they have built and decorated their homes.

I don't really play MMORPGs for the "gaming" experience.
I play MMORPGs primarily for the RP experience.

I agree with you that being a carebear is just a playstyle preference.
But, it's a preference caused by viewing other players and even NPCs as people; rather than as content.
And caused by viewing mobs as living beings rather than content.

You claim to not be trying to claim a moral high ground and yet you are saying that I don't view people as people because i like to play pvp games. You being a carebear isn't a problem, it's you being an ass to people who don't share your view that's a problem.

Just because i want to play a game where i compete against other people doesn't i don't see them as people.

I don't want to shove cake in people's face that don't want cake in there face. I want to play a game where i get to shove cake in the face of other like minded individuals.

Okeydoke

Ravicus wrote: »

Is it just me, or does anyone else feel like there is a time loop going on. I can't help but feel like things keep repeating themselves over and over and over....Am I living groundhog day?

There is 100% pure, unadulterated, space station grade trolling going on around here. Mixed with propaganda that would make Hitler and Stalin blush.

I think at times like this, it's important to remember that Ashes is not for everyone. And that's ok. Because it could be for your mother. beeotch

PherPhur

Dygz wrote: »

You did...
"When people try to shove cake down your throat, I will be your bodyguard and shove cake down THEIR throat!!"
No thanks. I'm not going anywhere near that crap.

The point is we're not shoving any cake anywhere, we're both hoping for the combat. I think most PvP'ers dream is for a great fight, a challenge. My hope more than anything in this game, apart from the RMT issue I spam the forums about, or the combat I've brought up twice, is that this game serves a purpose it was intended to server, to join PvE and PvP players together under the umbrella of teamwork.

Logically it should work, but PvE'ers... here's what it's like: A person trying to show them some creature and they're just flipping out, throwing hands in the air screaming "get that fucking thing away from me!". When it's really just a rad little harmless herbivore that almost kind of looks like a spider.

Dygz

mcstackerson wrote: »

You claim to not be trying to claim a moral high ground and yet you are saying that I don't view people as people because i like to play pvp games.

Actually, I didn't say that.
I said I don't view people as content. And I said viewing people as content is what allows gamers to shove cake down people's throat. I didn't say that you are the type of PvPer who shoves cake down people's throat.
I didn't say that you you are the type of PvPer who forces players to PvP when they are not in the mood for PvP.
What I did say is that I don't view people as content. I view them as people. Just as I view the mobs and NPCs as living beings.
That's it.
I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything about how you view things.

mcstackerson wrote: »

You being a carebear isn't a problem, it's you being an ass to people who don't share your view that's a problem.

How was I an ass to you?

mcstackerson wrote: »

I don't want to shove cake in people's face that don't want cake in there face. I want to play a game where i get to shove cake in the face of other like minded individuals.

1: I didn't claim that you were one of the gamers who like to shove cake down other people's faces.
2: And if you are... that is OK by me. I just don't want to be anywhere near you when you do it.

In my cake analogy - cake = PvP.
I like cake sometimes. As far as I can tell, you like cake, too. So there is no moral superiority there.

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