Freeholds / Guild halls. Small guild issue

So I've watched all the content and information about freeholds and I'm confused if they're also guildhalls and if so I just dont see a small guild even having the possibility of owning one.

Is there going to be a separate system in place for smaller guild halls or places for your guild to meet

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George_Black

Take the blue pill

Depraved

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

Have small guild issue? Take Verran Viagra. Get those numbers pumping. Cause smol guild make unhappy waifu.

lmaoooo

McShave

I would hope that small guilds still have a chance at guild halls, they will just have to wait until after the big guilds take theirs. They will have to be on lower tier nodes and travel to the higher tier nodes for stuff (probably).

Nerror

McShave wrote: »

I would hope that small guilds still have a chance at guild halls, they will just have to wait until after the big guilds take theirs. They will have to be on lower tier nodes and travel to the higher tier nodes for stuff (probably).

There are only up to 45 Guild Halls available on any given server. 3 per T6 node (15 max), 2 per T5 node (20 max) and 1 per T4 node (10 max) from what we currently know. None for T3 nodes. And you have to be a patron guild of a node, which means you have to be the guild that has contributed the most to the node.

Abarat

Noaani wrote: »

I'm simply agreeing with the fact that Ashes is only a game for people in large guilds.

Fact is, Ashes will be a game where small guilds simply won't have much at all to do. I'm sure you want to go rambling on about "processing up to tier 3 is in node" or some shit, but what that actually means is processing for equipment up to level 30 out of 50.

Without a node you can't even process basic materials for trash level 50 gear.

you just cannot help yourself. This is all made up.. and you actually say "Fact is,...", when what is a fact is that you, nor anyone has actually played the game... not even for a minute, let alone long enough to understand what is going to happen. The world is quite large. It takes time to develop nodes.

What are you trying to accomplish? Scare people away? Scare Intrepid into changing the game more to what you think? Just have to be a "know it all"?

It is absolutely bizarre to me that you just MAKE THINGS UP AND state them as absolute fact.

also, i think you meant freehold, not node, in the last sentence, but who knows... you might be making that up too.

Liniker

George_Black wrote: »

Do you see poor people owning big houses?
What kind of logic is this? Go meet in the gutter with your small guild.
Who told you that you are owed a guild hall just for playing the game?

Never thought I'd say this, but I agree with George Black on this one it makes no sense how entitled people are and based on this it's not just and AoC problem:

Noaani wrote: »

I'm not "QQ'ing".

I'm simply agreeing with the fact that Ashes is only a game for people in large guilds.

@Noaani you have been QQ'ing for over a month now on this subject.

We just had our office hours with the devs and community on Discord and its hilarious how 99% of participants both speakers and chat were happy with the system and agreed that it is a good idea to have freeholds be limited.

Forums can easily become an echo chamber when we have you and like 5 more people constantly spamming the same things in every post to try inflating these bad takes and trying to make AoC something that it was never supposed to be.

I recommend playing Palia it actually looks like a fun PVE game with interesting housing systems that everyone will have access to

Shabooey

Forums can easily become an echo chamber when we have you and like 5 more people constantly spamming the same things in every post to try inflating these bad takes and trying to make AoC something that it was never supposed to be. [/quote]

This is spot on. You could merge about 10 of these threads into 1 because people are literally saying the same thing on many of them regardless of the topic. It's not helpful for meaningful discussions about the game.

Nerror

Liniker wrote: »

Forums can easily become an echo chamber when we have you and like 5 more people constantly spamming the same things in every post

Lol, pot, meet kettle. That describes you and a few others spot on.

I couldn't be there at the office hours sadly, but was it mostly the usual crew? I am not surprised that the usual office hours crew of guild leaders and officers of large organized guilds want this system, because your guild will make sure your personal needs are met either way. The system generally caters directly to you, not the more casual crowd or smaller guilds.

Depraved

Nerror wrote: »

Liniker wrote: »

Forums can easily become an echo chamber when we have you and like 5 more people constantly spamming the same things in every post

Lol, pot, meet kettle. That describes you and a few others spot on.

I couldn't be there at the office hours sadly, but was it mostly the usual crew? I am not surprised that the usual office hours crew of guild leaders and officers of large organized guilds want this system, because your guild will make sure your personal needs are met either way. The system generally caters directly to you, not the more casual crowd or smaller guilds.

how do you know the players that were there were what you said and not the solo players or he casuals who are interested in following the game?

Ayeveegaming1

Nerror wrote: »

Liniker wrote: »

Forums can easily become an echo chamber when we have you and like 5 more people constantly spamming the same things in every post

Lol, pot, meet kettle. That describes you and a few others spot on.

I couldn't be there at the office hours sadly, but was it mostly the usual crew? I am not surprised that the usual office hours crew of guild leaders and officers of large organized guilds want this system, because your guild will make sure your personal needs are met either way. The system generally caters directly to you, not the more casual crowd or smaller guilds.

This is litteraly the way the game is designed. People get together and work through the guild system to accomplish their goals. You have this opportunity to do this also. It does not matter if a guild is established in the begining or develops organically after launch. Its going to happen. They are highly invested in the game and are highly competitive. There is nothing wrong with that. If you are a casual you naturally will be behind what an organized group will do. It would be wise if you are worried to join a big guild and be included to be able to access the benefits of the large guild.

McShave

Nerror wrote: »

McShave wrote: »

I would hope that small guilds still have a chance at guild halls, they will just have to wait until after the big guilds take theirs. They will have to be on lower tier nodes and travel to the higher tier nodes for stuff (probably).

There are only up to 45 Guild Halls available on any given server. 3 per T6 node (15 max), 2 per T5 node (20 max) and 1 per T4 node (10 max) from what we currently know. None for T3 nodes. And you have to be a patron guild of a node, which means you have to be the guild that has contributed the most to the node.

Numbers can be changed depending on testing.

xiedd13ix

Shabooey wrote: »

Forums can easily become an echo chamber when we have you and like 5 more people constantly spamming the same things in every post to try inflating these bad takes and trying to make AoC something that it was never supposed to be.

This is spot on. You could merge about 10 of these threads into 1 because people are literally saying the same thing on many of them regardless of the topic. It's not helpful for meaningful discussions about the game.
[/quote]

Not helpful for meaningful discussion. I literally asked a question if that's what people expected to happen. I'm not sat here demanding changes

I find this all so funny that so many people responded to this in such a bitchy way and they wonder why a game dies and becomes unpopular when there is a very negative take from part of the community. I have made a few posts on this forum now about very different topics and the amount of just straight up negative comments instead of actually discussion is ridiculous. Seems no one on the forums can have a mature discussion about anything its. Have it our way or **** off

Liniker

Nerror wrote: »

Lol, pot, meet kettle. That describes you and a few others spot on.

Literally your post history my brother, all those are you crying about freeholds.

that one in the middle is the best, a troll post making ridiculous suggestions as a form of protest for the freehold limitations LOL

Ayeveegaming1

xiedd13ix wrote: »

Shabooey wrote: »

Forums can easily become an echo chamber when we have you and like 5 more people constantly spamming the same things in every post to try inflating these bad takes and trying to make AoC something that it was never supposed to be.

This is spot on. You could merge about 10 of these threads into 1 because people are literally saying the same thing on many of them regardless of the topic. It's not helpful for meaningful discussions about the game.

Not helpful for meaningful discussion. I literally asked a question if that's what people expected to happen. I'm not sat here demanding changes

I find this all so funny that so many people responded to this in such a bitchy way and they wonder why a game dies and becomes unpopular when there is a very negative take from part of the community. I have made a few posts on this forum now about very different topics and the amount of just straight up negative comments instead of actually discussion is ridiculous. Seems no one on the forums can have a mature discussion about anything its. Have it our way or **** off[/quote]

exactly. If there was a spam meter on the forums some of the posters would be getting timed out for basically /copy/paste text on multiple posts. Its like they want to beat their argument into your head with a hammer.

Shabooey

My point is agreeing with you so why you having a pop at me? I haven't shit on your question, It's getting pretty tiresome that people aren't having meaningful discussions about the topics, they just want to make their one point over and over again.

Boneshatter

Liniker wrote: »

We just had our office hours with the devs and community on Discord

Forums can easily become an echo chamber

Please tell me I'm not the only one that sees the irony here.

Nerror

Depraved wrote: »

Nerror wrote: »

Liniker wrote: »

Forums can easily become an echo chamber when we have you and like 5 more people constantly spamming the same things in every post

Lol, pot, meet kettle. That describes you and a few others spot on.

I couldn't be there at the office hours sadly, but was it mostly the usual crew? I am not surprised that the usual office hours crew of guild leaders and officers of large organized guilds want this system, because your guild will make sure your personal needs are met either way. The system generally caters directly to you, not the more casual crowd or smaller guilds.

how do you know the players that were there were what you said and not the solo players or he casuals who are interested in following the game?

I don't know, that's why I asked if the office hours that time was different.

Nerror

Liniker wrote: »

Nerror wrote: »

Lol, pot, meet kettle. That describes you and a few others spot on.

Literally your post history my brother, all those are you crying about freeholds.

that one in the middle is the best, a troll post making ridiculous suggestions as a form of protest for the freehold limitations LOL

The troll post was just to show how ridiculous and arbitrary gating major content behind a super limited system is. The other posts are all about showing different problems and aspects of the freehold system to some extent, where I don't repeat myself really. I have repeated myself some in comments on other threads though. I have no problems with saying that, and I will keep opposing this system.

However, I don't post bad strawman arguments about participation trophies and entitlement like you and a handful of others often do. I can start doing that if you prefer? The entitlement in thinking only large guilds should realistically have access to major content is staggering. The people who really want participation trophies join large guilds where they can easily get them. Large guilds don't have to work nearly as hard for things as smaller guilds do. You can just throw numbers at a problem. No skill or hard work needed. Large guilds = Participation trophy heaven.

I am sure we can have very productive conversations when we just call each other entitled and wanting participation trophies, instead of talking about the actual issues.

George_Black

The OP said "I just dont see a small guild even having the possibility of owning one"

Then the OP asked for a separate system to perhaps allow weak guilds to get some housing.
What for? "For the guild to meet." Guilds can meet everywhere. Meet for what? RP?

This isn't the premise of a meaningful discussion. That's not a question. That's the conclusion you came too.
That's the conclusion many came to.

"This looks too competitive. Can we make it easier?"

When I finished with L2, around the time of L2 classic, two of my inrl friends kept playing on a new server. Two..

They worked hard and bid on a hall with a few ppl they met online. They built the strongest guild in the server. Not the largest. They got most of the heroes every month.

So it's not a fact that in a game like AoC small guilds wont have a game to play.

The rest of the posts is QQing and reactive to having a mirror lifted up to your face, seeing the reality.

Mag7spy

Nerror wrote: »

Liniker wrote: »

Nerror wrote: »

Lol, pot, meet kettle. That describes you and a few others spot on.

Literally your post history my brother, all those are you crying about freeholds.

that one in the middle is the best, a troll post making ridiculous suggestions as a form of protest for the freehold limitations LOL

The troll post was just to show how ridiculous and arbitrary gating major content behind a super limited system is. The other posts are all about showing different problems and aspects of the freehold system to some extent, where I don't repeat myself really. I have repeated myself some in comments on other threads though. I have no problems with saying that, and I will keep opposing this system.

However, I don't post bad strawman arguments about participation trophies and entitlement like you and a handful of others often do. I can start doing that if you prefer? The entitlement in thinking only large guilds should realistically have access to major content is staggering. The people who really want participation trophies join large guilds where they can easily get them. Large guilds don't have to work nearly as hard for things as smaller guilds do. You can just throw numbers at a problem. No skill or hard work needed. Large guilds = Participation trophy heaven.

I am sure we can have very productive conversations when we just call each other entitled and wanting participation trophies, instead of talking about the actual issues.

Actually large guilds are a crap ton of work, it is like 100* more difficult to keep that together and working than just a smaller guild with friends and some others you picked up along the way.

Having a large successful guild is far from a participation trophy.

Between all the freeholds that will be available per server ontop of warring there will be plenty of opportunities for people to work towards obtaining one. Its not like there is only 10 freeholds to obtain.

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