The freeholds are not for casuals. They are for guilds. Should they be for megaguilds or not?

Enough with the casual farmiville QQ.
Freeholds are an important achievement.

Feeeholds should be family locked. Period. This will prevent 1000 member guilds from giving permission to 1000 people to work on the freehold.
Even the battalion permission idea will cause people to stop and think:

"Do I wanna be a nobody with nothing, amongst 1000 people? Or should I join a guild with 50-80 members and rotate batalion/family membership so that I am permitted to gain access to the 'guilds freeholds' ?" Fvck waiting for 1000 other members.

I think such restrictions will further empower meaningful, smaller communities and weaken the strong advantage that big guilds have, the sheer numbers power.

I think freeholds should allow permission to family members only to help small, strong guilds compete for them, whilst the big guilds enjoy the castles.

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HumblePuffin

I assume you mean “alliances” instead of guilds, or maybe one guild that’s actually multiple guilds in an alliance.

Either way I’m excited to hear more about guild perks and such. I would much rather be in a smaller guild. That 50-80 range, or even smaller like 25-40, and it’s exciting that they planned for that to have benefits.

Gimme all those perks.

Boneshatter

Limiting the freehold to family only would have the opposite effect of what you're saying. If a freehold is capped at 8 or 9 people those mega guilds will need (and acquire) a whole bunch of them to keep the processing rolling. If the whole guild can use the same smelter then they only need the one.

Nerror

Why on earth are you assuming casuals aren't in guilds? That makes no sense.

While I am all for limiting the power of the large guilds who already have a lot of advantages in the game, they are comprised of families too. This won't stop them from wanting or getting freeholds.

Noaani

George_Black wrote: »

Enough with the casual farmiville QQ.
Freeholds are an important achievement.

Feeeholds should be family locked. Period. This will prevent 1000 member guilds from giving permission to 1000 people to work on the freehold.
Even the battalion permission idea will cause people to stop and think:

"Do I wanna be a nobody with nothing, amongst 1000 people? Or should I join a guild with 50-80 members and rotate batalion/family membership so that I am permitted to gain access to the 'guilds freeholds' ?" Fvck waiting for 1000 other members.

I think such restrictions will further empower meaningful, smaller communities and weaken the strong advantage that big guilds have, the sheer numbers power.

I think freeholds should allow permission to family members only to help small, strong guilds compete for them, whilst the big guilds enjoy the castles.

Quite honestly, I would be perfectly happy with this. - but there still needs to be a second tier of land ownership in the game.

Noaani

Nerror wrote: »

Why on earth are you assuming casuals aren't in guilds? That makes no sense.

While I am all for limiting the power of the large guilds who already have a lot of advantages in the game, they are comprised of families too. This won't stop them from wanting or getting freeholds.

To be fair, for most of the discussion around freeholds, "guilds" is shorthand for large, well organized guilds, and "casual" is shorthand for everyone else.

Raven016

George_Black wrote: »

The freeholds are not for casuals.

Yes

George_Black wrote: »

They are for guilds. Should they be for megaguilds or not?

Not for guilds but for dedicated players.

Hardcore freeholders should be able to defeat casual freeholders when competing to get one.
That means players who have dedication for working on a freehold should be able to finish the quest needed to show they are worth owning it.
If those players are solo or in guilds should not matter.

Quests to acquire a freehold should not be like "go show me you can milk 10 cows and give me 100000 gold"
Players should not be able to get help form guild members when showing how expertly and passionately they can milk the cows.

Dygz

Nerror wrote: »

Why on earth are you assuming casuals aren't in guilds? That makes no sense.

While I am all for limiting the power of the large guilds who already have a lot of advantages in the game, they are comprised of families too. This won't stop them from wanting or getting freeholds.

Haha!
It all made sense once I saw who created the topic.

Gizban

George_Black wrote: »

Enough with the casual farmiville QQ.
Freeholds are an important achievement.

Feeeholds should be family locked. Period. This will prevent 1000 member guilds from giving permission to 1000 people to work on the freehold.
Even the battalion permission idea will cause people to stop and think:

"Do I wanna be a nobody with nothing, amongst 1000 people? Or should I join a guild with 50-80 members and rotate batalion/family membership so that I am permitted to gain access to the 'guilds freeholds' ?" Fvck waiting for 1000 other members.

I think such restrictions will further empower meaningful, smaller communities and weaken the strong advantage that big guilds have, the sheer numbers power.

I think freeholds should allow permission to family members only to help small, strong guilds compete for them, whilst the big guilds enjoy the castles.

Didn't you just rake someone over the coals for asking if there would be Guildhalls for smaller guilds?

Now you want preferential treatment for smaller guilds in relation to Freeholds?

Fantmx

George_Black wrote: »

The freeholds are not for casuals.

Do you think this will be good for the game long term?

Depraved

Fantmx wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

The freeholds are not for casuals.

Do you think this will be good for the game long term?

it will be. we need people logging in and processing things on those freeholds 24/7. a freehold owned by someone who only plays 2-3 hours a week and logs in to farm tomatoes and barely does any processing isn't good for the game.

imagine if every fh was owned by a casual who barely did any processing...how will people get processed goods?

Liniker

Fantmx wrote: »

Do you think this will be good for the game long term?

I honestly think that even if freeholds were the only housing option available, (as long as you could get citizenship without it ofc)

It would not be a problem for the long term whatsoever - housing is not that important this whole thing is just a storm in a teacup

most MMORPGs don't even have housing at all, WoW doesn't have any housing, and in MMOs with housing like BDO that has a decent system, most players still don't care

however... freeholds are Not the only type of housing available so, zero problems, the few players that do care about housing can have it in nodes - and those that put in the work eventually will get their freehold

as for processing... not an issue either, over 30% to 40% of a server will have access due to family/guild sharing, more than enough for 1 out of 3 profession branches.

Fantmx

Depraved wrote: »

Fantmx wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

The freeholds are not for casuals.

Do you think this will be good for the game long term?

it will be. we need people logging in and processing things on those freeholds 24/7. a freehold owned by someone who only plays 2-3 hours a week and logs in to farm tomatoes and barely does any processing isn't good for the game.

imagine if every fh was owned by a casual who barely did any processing...how will people get processed goods?

If processing is the main purpose and function of freeholds, why is Intrepid spending so much time with things like skins, furniture, and businesses?

Does being a casual player mean that individual is automatically inefficient in their processing?

Depraved

Fantmx wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Fantmx wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

The freeholds are not for casuals.

Do you think this will be good for the game long term?

it will be. we need people logging in and processing things on those freeholds 24/7. a freehold owned by someone who only plays 2-3 hours a week and logs in to farm tomatoes and barely does any processing isn't good for the game.

imagine if every fh was owned by a casual who barely did any processing...how will people get processed goods?

If processing is the main purpose and function of freeholds, why is Intrepid spending so much time with things like skins, furniture, and businesses?

Does being a casual player mean that individual is automatically inefficient in their processing?

because cool things look cool. why not give them flavor? also, more money for the company.

and yes, being a casual means you are automatically inefficient at processing, at least in this game. steven has indicated that you need to tend to your processing stations. i think i explained that to you in another post.

so processing in ashes isn't going to be something like logging in, buying a bunch of raw mats at the auction house, clicking your processing stations and processing those mats instantly, putting them on the auction house then logging off for 3 days, rinse and repeat.

so how is better for the game if a casual owns fh instead of a hardcore player again?

Sathrago

Fantmx wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Fantmx wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

The freeholds are not for casuals.

Do you think this will be good for the game long term?

it will be. we need people logging in and processing things on those freeholds 24/7. a freehold owned by someone who only plays 2-3 hours a week and logs in to farm tomatoes and barely does any processing isn't good for the game.

imagine if every fh was owned by a casual who barely did any processing...how will people get processed goods?

If processing is the main purpose and function of freeholds, why is Intrepid spending so much time with things like skins, furniture, and businesses?

Does being a casual player mean that individual is automatically inefficient in their processing?

inefficient? yes as by the definition of being casual you are spending less time setting up deals, farming, skilling up, gaining recipes, etc. If that doesn't make sense to you, explain how a casual could be efficient for processing from both a player and a customer perspective as there will be many who seek out high level processers for their ability.

As for the cosmetics, its to add more variability so that more people might be willing to seek out and accomplish themselves with a freehold. More styles = more people enticed to own one.

Nerror

Killing the game for time-casuals, and not giving them cool things to do is a great way to kill a game. They need meat too. Casuals generally outnumber hardcore players by a very large margin. Steven knows this too. They pay the same amount of money as hardcore players and are absolutely the ones really paying the bills for the company.

All the things you can do on a freehold are traditionally things many casual players love to do, so denying them that would be eminently stupid for the health of the game. Casuals join families and guilds too. The truly solo player is not very common.

And who cares if they don't run their freehold to full capacity? That's just more market share for the hardcore players.

Mag7spy

Fantmx wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

Fantmx wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

The freeholds are not for casuals.

Do you think this will be good for the game long term?

it will be. we need people logging in and processing things on those freeholds 24/7. a freehold owned by someone who only plays 2-3 hours a week and logs in to farm tomatoes and barely does any processing isn't good for the game.

imagine if every fh was owned by a casual who barely did any processing...how will people get processed goods?

If processing is the main purpose and function of freeholds, why is Intrepid spending so much time with things like skins, furniture, and businesses?

Does being a casual player mean that individual is automatically inefficient in their processing?

Its a money / smart marketing thing. They plan to create a lot of content and these houses aren't extra resources to make but what they need in the world anyway. So people buying them actually can pay for the development cost on the artist making it.

IS is clearly the winner here and it is a very good strategy business wise. You can fairly say they were not clear about things but that is development in process they most likely didn't have a answer, in fact they were most likely were going to have far less (until world changes). But they were not shy about saying the difficulty to get it, that being linked to it not being instanced made it clear their availability would not be huge in terms most most people owning their own.

End of the day this is one of those things that isn't the best for consumers to be following so it won't be swallowed well (as seen clearly). If no eon knew anything about the game and AoC was released no one would be batting a eye or caring, they would get their houses and want to work towards getting a freehold and being excited if they managed to get one.

Ayeveegaming1

No one is denying them anything. This game rewards group play. If you play solo you are going to have a much harder time.

daveywavey

And George is sitting back laughing away. Well played George, well played.

Ludullu

Depraved wrote: »

it will be. we need people logging in and processing things on those freeholds 24/7. a freehold owned by someone who only plays 2-3 hours a week and logs in to farm tomatoes and barely does any processing isn't good for the game.

imagine if every fh was owned by a casual who barely did any processing...how will people get processed goods?

If every FH could be owned by a casual that would mean that any hardcore player would be able to own one as well. And even if majority is casual-owned - that only means that the hardcore players can now have a bigger part of the market.

It's literally better for any and all hardcore players to have more FH in casuals' hands than in guilds'. And even if you represent a guild - it's more beneficial for you to have less competition.

Waaay back in the day I suggested a system of "casual currency" (pretty much just unplayed hours in an item form). The only way for "only casuals to own FHs" would be to implement that system and then only sell FHs for that currency. In any other situation hardcore players would be able to buy themselves a freehold and would then be better than the majority of other players.

Sathrago

Nerror wrote: »

Killing the game for time-casuals, and not giving them cool things to do is a great way to kill a game. They need meat too. Casuals generally outnumber hardcore players by a very large margin. Steven knows this too. They pay the same amount of money as hardcore players and are absolutely the ones really paying the bills for the company.

All the things you can do on a freehold are traditionally things many casual players love to do, so denying them that would be eminently stupid for the health of the game. Casuals join families and guilds too. The truly solo player is not very common.

And who cares if they don't run their freehold to full capacity? That's just more market share for the hardcore players.

There. is. not. enough. room. in. the. world.

Unless you want the servers to look like an official ark or rust server. because that is what you would get.

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