Corruption/pvp

How many of you will still be engaging in in world pvp/ ganking reguardless of corruption?

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Now that's a weird response. I'm for more PvP, not less. It's better to know who wants to PvP and who doesn't without having to first poke them to see if they'll fight back. The "can be annoying" part is to back up my point that it's bad for everyone, not just PvPers.

Imagine you're in an area with a bunch of greens and you want some OWPvP. You hit one guy and they don't fight back. Does that automatically mean that everyone else around you don't want a fight? I don't think so, they may need extra motivation, such as getting hit. Now if I knew beforehand that they're willing to fight, I wouldn't have needed to hit the other greens, I would've immediately gone for this one.

Raven016

Steven wants PvPers to provoke the fight using action. Maybe some PvEers fight back.

Dygz

If you want to find gamers who certainly want to PvP, go to a Siege or a Caravan attack or the Open Seas.

Rocsek

Dygz wrote: »

I think getting hit once or twice isn't particularly annoying.
Quick interaction/disruption is OK. Prolonged disruption is annoying.

Level 20 hitting a Level 1 does not gain Corruption.
Level 20 killing a Level 1 will gain signficant amount of Corruption.

I think you misread my post. I said Until you're a level 20 HITTING LIKE a level 1. If they are staying in the corrupted realm as he mentions their level 20 will eventually hit like a level 1 due to the stacking corruption. An exaggerated example I know.

Dolyem

I mean, the real point of corruption by design is to require players to stop killing non-combatants for a time until they work it off or are killed, granting a sort of grace period for those non-combatants between killing sprees

Dygz

rocsek wrote: »

I think you misread my post. I said Until you're a level 20 HITTING LIKE a level 1. If they are staying in the corrupted realm as he mentions their level 20 will eventually hit like a level 1 due to the stacking corruption. An exaggerated example I know.

I don’t know that I misread it.
I misinterpreted. Yes.

Raven016

One thing I find bad in this system is that if you do not want to PvP, the PvPer can keep your health low, without killing you, if it happens to encounter you unaware of his presence, while fighting NPCs.
I don't mind about cases where you are supposed to be in team fighting difficult bosses but casual NPCs which are soloable.
What happens if the NPC kills you? Can other players take resources? How many?
Taking them back yourself might also be difficult if all NPCs spawn back by the time you get to your death spot.

Raven016

If a player attacks another player, should make him combatant but guards should also attack him.
And becoming combatant often should make that timer longer.

Korela

Guards should wait untill player is red (PK). Or they can attack green players - that's would be even better

Raven016

Korela wrote: »

Guards should wait untill player is red (PK). Or they can attack green players - that's would be even better

I have nothing against guards attacking a green player which was corrupt often lately, against your own citizens.

Myosotys

tautau wrote: »

If someone risks their valuable personal gear because they went red because another player irritated them, it appears to me to be a personal issue with the player going red ~ their lack of personal self-control is potentially costing them their valuable item(s).

They should not blame the game rules, they would be better served learning to tame their emotions and learn to master themselves.

There are so many incomprehensible things about the corruption system at the moment that I prefer to wait and see for myself before jumping to conclusions.

I wonder, for example, how to deal with a player who camps specifically in your zone, follows you, finishes your monsters and takes your resources?

I'm also wondering whether zone spell damage will be considered an attack?

And finally, the question on everyone's mind is how long will it take to clear the curruption?

This last question is the most sensitive. Too much laxity will automatically encourage toxic behavior. Too much severity will kill PvP.

So wait and see...

Raven016

Myosotys wrote: »

tautau wrote: »

If someone risks their valuable personal gear because they went red because another player irritated them, it appears to me to be a personal issue with the player going red ~ their lack of personal self-control is potentially costing them their valuable item(s).

They should not blame the game rules, they would be better served learning to tame their emotions and learn to master themselves.

There are so many incomprehensible things about the corruption system at the moment that I prefer to wait and see for myself before jumping to conclusions.

I wonder, for example, how to deal with a player who camps specifically in your zone, follows you, finishes your monsters and takes your resources?

I'm also wondering whether zone spell damage will be considered an attack?

And finally, the question on everyone's mind is how long will it take to clear the curruption?

This last question is the most sensitive. Too much laxity will automatically encourage toxic behavior. Too much severity will kill PvP.

So wait and see...

Too much severity will kill certain kind of PvP. But if that kind of PvP is desired, then corruption is not needed at all, when players have same level.

Ludullu

Raven016 wrote: »

What happens if the NPC kills you? Can other players take resources? How many?
Taking them back yourself might also be difficult if all NPCs spawn back by the time you get to your death spot.

Currently you'd drop the default amount of stuff. Don't think we know whether others can loot your ashes, but I'd assume they can. This is why fighting back is more beneficial if you see that you'll die to mobs before the dude kills you (and especially if he sets that up).

Dygz

Normal death penalties. Ashes aren't "looted". You drop some resources. Other players can take dropped resources, yes.
It's a portion of resources that drop. We don't know what percentage = a portion.

Raven016

NiKr wrote: »

Raven016 wrote: »

What happens if the NPC kills you? Can other players take resources? How many?
Taking them back yourself might also be difficult if all NPCs spawn back by the time you get to your death spot.

Currently you'd drop the default amount of stuff. Don't think we know whether others can loot your ashes, but I'd assume they can. This is why fighting back is more beneficial if you see that you'll die to mobs before the dude kills you (and especially if he sets that up).

OK, so the corruption is not there to protect but to encourage PvEers to become PvPers.
In the context where this game is supposed to be PvX and not PvP, it actually becomes PvP.

Raven016

Dygz wrote: »

Normal death penalties. Ashes aren't looted. You drop some resources.

So there are two kind of ashes, one if an NPC killed you and one if a player did the killing blow?

Dygz

Nope. It's the same ashes for both, but...

If you die while Green, you suffer normal death penalties.
If you die while Purple, you suffer death penalties are halved.

So... severity of death penalties is different for Non-Combatant: normal death penalties
Combatant: half-normal death penalties.

Korela

Myosotys wrote: »

I wonder, for example, how to deal with a player who camps specifically in your zone, follows you, finishes your monsters and takes your resources?

Good question. You can become PK, but it is dangerous, because you can drop valueable items. The answer for now is the corruption-free seas. But what if the corruption-free zone is too small and easy-to-monopolize? Then that type of players are between griefers and hardcores.

Hope there a few PvP zones then

Raven016

Dygz wrote: »

Nope. It's the same ashes for both, but...

If you die while Green, you suffer normal death penalties.
If you die while Purple, you suffer death penalties are halved.

So... severity of death penalties is different for Non-Combatant: normal death penalties
Combatant: half-normal death penalties.

But you said ashes cannot be looted.
I assume you meant the case where an NPC kills you.
So if a player kills you, the resources go directly into his inventory?
What if 2 players cooperate to kill one? How do they get the loot? Is it split evenly?

Dygz

Ashes are not looted.
When you die, you drop some resources.
Players can pick dropped resources up off the ground.
How people share drops probably depends on if they are in a group and whatever share settings they chose.

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