The freeholds are not for casuals. They are for guilds. Should they be for megaguilds or not?

Enough with the casual farmiville QQ.
Freeholds are an important achievement.

Feeeholds should be family locked. Period. This will prevent 1000 member guilds from giving permission to 1000 people to work on the freehold.
Even the battalion permission idea will cause people to stop and think:

"Do I wanna be a nobody with nothing, amongst 1000 people? Or should I join a guild with 50-80 members and rotate batalion/family membership so that I am permitted to gain access to the 'guilds freeholds' ?" Fvck waiting for 1000 other members.

I think such restrictions will further empower meaningful, smaller communities and weaken the strong advantage that big guilds have, the sheer numbers power.

I think freeholds should allow permission to family members only to help small, strong guilds compete for them, whilst the big guilds enjoy the castles.

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George_Black

Dygz wrote: »

And still - that is MMOs, in general.
Whereas he has said of Ashes specifically, "The game is built for both the solo player as well as guild oriented players, both large and small guilds.
Solo players are afterall, still a member of the larger server community."

I think I'll wait for Bill to tell us what he thinks, rather than rely on Steven's interpretation of what Bill thinks.
(Especially since what Steven thinks tends to be inconsistent.)

Ye, I can see you going Jahlons way.

Fact is many people like you two are in denial about what AoC is all about.
"Mmos are not group games"
What a gem....
You can keep going about "terms" and "definitions" and just do mental gymnastics to hide the fact that you (wrongly) feel cheated by Steven.

You gonna ask Bill or Jeff or Tim or Tom and Harry what they think mmo is, while their boss is Steven?

Mmo is a game in which players freely interact him each other, and that means they will kick you out of a grinding spot.

Within reason, you will be considered as someone that on purpose derails topics in this forum, spreading your personal narrative about "what was on kick starter and how they changed things".
You dont add anything to the topic as you try to discredit the games owner.

Noaani

George_Black wrote: »

You gonna ask Bill or Jeff or Tim or Tom and Harry what they think mmo is, while their boss is Steven?

Steven gets to designate what Ashes is.

He does not get to designate what MMO's are.

Dygz

George_Black wrote: »

Ye, I can see you going Jahlons way.

Nobody cares what you see.

Liniker

Noaani wrote: »

He does not get to designate what MMO's are.

MMOs are not built for solo players.

Abarat

Dygz wrote: »

Abarat wrote: »

You are not a crafter, are you dygz?

Why would you think I'm not a Crafter?

Are you?

Abarat

Noaani wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

I see you know when you are unwanted.

I know my audience.

i beg to differ.

Abarat

Ravicus wrote: »

I skip all the walls of text from anybody. The best way to win an argument with me is to put me asleep. I remember the old saying with the acroynim KISS: "Keep it simple stupid" -

i recently saw a post, cant remember by who, which had nice bullet points and spoilers you could click on to see a more detailed explanation. Thought that was nice. it was easy to read and understand, but if you were curious you could click in and see a longer more detailed explanation. good work to that unnamed person.

Fantmx

Liniker wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

He does not get to designate what MMO's are.

MMOs are not built for solo players.

For what it's worth half my time in EQ was soloing. Quad kiting with a druid was a learned skill that payed off dearly. I also did a lot of PLing other characters of mine on a second machine. Now not every class could solo and the rest of my time were in groups and raids but EQ was as old school as they come and I was pretty self sufficient.

Was I raiding Plane of Time? Hell no, but I was having a good time nonetheless.

Liniker

Fantmx wrote: »

For what it's worth half my time in EQ was soloing. Quad kiting with a druid was a learned skill that payed off dearly. I also did a lot of PLing other characters of mine on a second machine. Now not every class could solo and the rest of my time were in groups and raids but EQ was as old school as they come and I was pretty self sufficient.

Was I raiding Plane of Time? Hell no, but I was having a good time nonetheless.

You can also play tabletop D&D solo, to a limited extent, but is the game built for that? that's the thing,

now, I'm not saying there shouldn't be any tabletop RPGs designed for solo - with MMORPGs there are plenty of games that are made that way, and that's great for people that like that - but the point is Ashes isn't, which is awesome for players that enjoy group-based games, and not so awesome for players that want to solo

Ludullu

Also, playing solo doesn't mean playing w/o a guild. I usually play solo, but I also make a guild quite often. I still play solo, but I now have access to some help if I ever need it. And others in the guild (also solo players usually) do too.

It's all about the approach to the game and to your place in it.

Dygz

Exactly!
Solo means that you are not formally joined in a group/party while out adventuring.

Solo does not mean you never or rarely interact with other players.

George_Black

None of that is relevant to the topic.

Noaani

NiKr wrote: »

Also, playing solo doesn't mean playing w/o a guild. I usually play solo, but I also make a guild quite often. I still play solo, but I now have access to some help if I ever need it. And others in the guild (also solo players usually) do too.

It's all about the approach to the game and to your place in it.

People in this situation are the most common group that my guild has failed to recruit once we hae identified them as a potential.

As such, I have to assume it is not at all an uncommon way to play MMO's in general.

DrDefault

Like OP is saying, freeholds are an important achievement. My problem with freeholds is the bidding system though, because it's a very mediocre system for a pvp centric game. Yes it promotes competitiveness, but it feels like a very unfulfilling risk vs. reward type of competitiveness. They could really polish the system up to be far more risk vs. reward.

For instance, keep the bidding system, but force the top 10 bidders to have a last man standing type duel to win the freehold, people in the same guild/alliance cannot participate in the same last man standing either. Losers lose all the gold they used to bid as well. That's what I'd like to see.

So, I agree with OP, they should be family locked. This would allow more competition and push guilds further out into other regions of the game as well. If they want to control freeholds, they need to really fight to control them.

Noaani

Liniker wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

He does not get to designate what MMO's are.

MMOs are not built for solo players.

MMO's are not *not* built for solo players either.

They are generally just built for people. Sometime these people will solo, sometimes they will group, sometimes they will raid.

A good MMO will give players something of value to do in each aspect. The assumption shouldn't be that a player will only solo, but the assumption also shouldn't be that a player will never solo.

insomnia

Nerror wrote: »

Why on earth are you assuming casuals aren't in guilds? That makes no sense.

While I am all for limiting the power of the large guilds who already have a lot of advantages in the game, they are comprised of families too. This won't stop them from wanting or getting freeholds.

Steven did talk about, guilds leveling up and unlocking things. Some could be the ability to have more members, while smaller guilds can focus on other perks
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Guilds

Fantmx

Liniker wrote: »

Fantmx wrote: »

For what it's worth half my time in EQ was soloing. Quad kiting with a druid was a learned skill that payed off dearly. I also did a lot of PLing other characters of mine on a second machine. Now not every class could solo and the rest of my time were in groups and raids but EQ was as old school as they come and I was pretty self sufficient.

Was I raiding Plane of Time? Hell no, but I was having a good time nonetheless.

You can also play tabletop D&D solo, to a limited extent, but is the game built for that? that's the thing,

now, I'm not saying there shouldn't be any tabletop RPGs designed for solo - with MMORPGs there are plenty of games that are made that way, and that's great for people that like that - but the point is Ashes isn't, which is awesome for players that enjoy group-based games, and not so awesome for players that want to solo

EQ was designed for that. A lot of people talk about Ashes going back to old school mmorpg roots. Well, EQ was old school and so was UO and both were designed to allow and encourage solo play.

My main point being Ashes is not returning to the old school ways. It is redefining the modern mmorpg.

Mag7spy

These are some weird arguments. Could you solo most the time is older mmorpgs, yes but there was some content that was meant for groups on that journey to max level. Than when you are max level what is the content ratio to do from solo - group. If most end game content is just dungeons and such and a group is required that pretty much means group play is mandatory for progression.

Some modern mmorpgs have been changing that, BDO you can solo all progression but the progression is brain dead pve that is 0 challenge. The only real end game content really is sieges and node wars which is mandatory for a group else you aren't doing anything.

So these questions around AoC as to can you solo or how much content, i feel it needs to be made clear is what are you trying to solo. What is your purpose for doing solo content, how far do you expect to get with solo content?

Are you talking about only leveling, are you talking about end game content you can solo, are you talking a bout getting competitive gear from solo content???

Just saying solo isn't good enough there needs to be more direct information shared else people are guessing and assuming too much.

Dygz

Yeah... EQ seemed to be included in "old school", with so many EQ devs on the Ashes team.
But, 5+ years later... we begin to learn that EQ players are not really in the intended Target Audience.

Raven016

George_Black wrote: »

None of that is relevant to the topic.

What is a megaguild?
Can the entire server be a megaguild?

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