The freeholds are not for casuals. They are for guilds. Should they be for megaguilds or not?

Enough with the casual farmiville QQ.
Freeholds are an important achievement.

Feeeholds should be family locked. Period. This will prevent 1000 member guilds from giving permission to 1000 people to work on the freehold.
Even the battalion permission idea will cause people to stop and think:

"Do I wanna be a nobody with nothing, amongst 1000 people? Or should I join a guild with 50-80 members and rotate batalion/family membership so that I am permitted to gain access to the 'guilds freeholds' ?" Fvck waiting for 1000 other members.

I think such restrictions will further empower meaningful, smaller communities and weaken the strong advantage that big guilds have, the sheer numbers power.

I think freeholds should allow permission to family members only to help small, strong guilds compete for them, whilst the big guilds enjoy the castles.

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George_Black

Raven016 wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

None of that is relevant to the topic.

What is a megaguild?
Can the entire server be a megaguild?

A mega guild has a leadership of 10-20 actual guildmembers and the rest of perhsps 500-1000 members dont know each other, or respond to requests for help. They dont even reply to questions.
The leadership uses these members to fill roles in raids "looking for 1 tank NOW". They dont even call peoples names, the members are just tools that they rotate for their purposes.
It's just safety in large numbers and the false promise of progression, but only the core members trully progress and the rest get hand-down items instead of actual help with their builds.

George_Black

Let me add that due to the large number of them, in pvp the megaguilds dont play the game.
There is no strategy. There is no thought.
They just stack on the crown, they follow the leader and just spam aoe.
They stack together and they heal in AoE and spam dmg and cc in aoe. They dont need to aim, they dont need to take out critical enemies or protect their supports.
Just a blob of mindless, aimless AoE spammers.

Raven016

resistance is futile
Steven will be assimilated.

Percimes

Yet, if it works, it works.

No elegant strategies. No precis coordination. Just brute numbers. I can see how frustrating it sounds for those expecting battles to go according to their rules/preferences. Still a valid approach though.

George_Black

Percimes wrote: »

Yet, if it works, it works.

No elegant strategies. No precis coordination. Just brute numbers. I can see how frustrating it sounds for those expecting battles to go according to their rules/preferences. Still a valid approach though.

The purpose of the topic is to empower gameplay in a while that the ugliness AND strength that megaguilds bring in mmos, is less desirable/achievable by default, thus leading to a better mmo experience in:
Combat
Economy
Raiding
Society

Percimes

Better experience... for whom?

George_Black

Percimes wrote: »

Better experience... for whom?

For those that want:
Good combat gameplay
Competitive market access
Social aspect of the game (as opposed to just serve as a raid filler)

Which is every mmo player that doesnt want to mindlessly spam AoE for the zergleader or face the zergblob.
For whom?
For those that take pride in their guild, pride in their friends skill, pride in the bonds of their guild.

Dygz

Percimes wrote: »

Better experience... for whom?

George_Black

Percimes

George_Black wrote: »

Percimes wrote: »

Better experience... for whom?

For those that want:
Good combat gameplay
Competitive market access
Social aspect of the game (as opposed to just serve as a raid filler)

Which is every mmo player that doesnt want to mindlessly spam AoE for the zergleader or face the zergblob.
For whom?
For those that take pride in their guild, pride in their friends skill, pride in the bonds of their guild.

Megaguilders have made their choices, decided what they thought served them best for combat, have a "fair" access to the market and to socialize. As disgusting as you may find their approach, it's still a valid one. What is important is that their approach is not the only valid one to get some success in the game.

George_Black

Megaguilders may make a different choice and NOT join a megaguild if FHs arent accessible to guild members but only family members.

Raven016

George_Black wrote: »

Let me add that due to the large number of them, in pvp the megaguilds dont play the game.
There is no strategy. There is no thought.
They just stack on the crown, they follow the leader and just spam aoe.
They stack together and they heal in AoE and spam dmg and cc in aoe. They dont need to aim, they dont need to take out critical enemies or protect their supports.
Just a blob of mindless, aimless AoE spammers.

I remember seeing a trailer of Throne and Liberty where players were fighting 1vs1 during a siege. Felt very unnatural.
But in AoC they might have no choice but to be skilled. I assume there is a limit how many can join to defend or attack a caravan. The skill in those fights might determine the fate of their nodes.
Later during siege, the number of participants is also limited and if they had no resources to build their defenses, they'll lose.

Sathrago

George_Black wrote: »

Megaguilders may make a different choice and NOT join a megaguild if FHs arent accessible to guild members but only family members.

oh crap we might be back on topic now. Hope I dont jinx it.

Raven016

George_Black wrote: »

Megaguilders may make a different choice and NOT join a megaguild if FHs arent accessible to guild members but only family members.

If you are in a family you cannot join a guild too?

George_Black

Raven016 wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

Megaguilders may make a different choice and NOT join a megaguild if FHs arent accessible to guild members but only family members.

If you are in a family you cannot join a guild too?

A mega guild may have 1-10 people that own a FH. That means 8-80 people will use FHs if permissions are capped at family members only. There rest 1000 wont get it.
I wrote all that alrdy.

George_Black

If FH access is capped at family members only, this wont affect so much guilds of 80-100 members. Real guilds with real friendships.

If FHs are capped at family members only, it will be a direct nerf to zergguilds and an indirect buff to 80-100 member guilds.

Raven016

George_Black wrote: »

If FH access is capped at family members only, this wont affect so much guilds of 80-100 members. Real guilds with real friendships.

If FHs are capped at family members only it will be a direct nerf to zergguilds and an indirect buff to 80-100 member guilds.

This would also match the spirit of the game.

drclawx

If you own a freehold you should be allowed have access to whoever you want to access it. Family, guild, public, individuals, and or guilds. You should be able to black list too.

If some mega guild hoards all the land and denies processing and crafting to the larger community, people can just move to a different node that doesn't. Every crafter/processor/gatherer your node looses will be a net negative.

George_Black

drclawx wrote: »

If you own a freehold you should be allowed have access to whoever you want to access it. Family, guild, public, individuals, and or guilds. You should be able to black list too.

If some mega guild hoards all the land and denies processing and crafting to the larger community, people can just move to a different node that doesn't. Every crafter/processor/gatherer your node looses will be a net negative.

Try to see the problem with what you wrote. Come back tomorrow.

drclawx

Probably wont be back but sure..

drclawx

The only issue I see would be that there is no point in getting a freehold if I can just use one for free. Even still it will just cause people to not play if they don't have access to them.

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