Throne & Liberty : finaly so different (edit)

"Get out fast AoC or you’ll be overtaken by Throne & Liberty" I’ve seen this comment many times. now I’m sure these two games don’t have much to do with it.

For my part, botting options are absolutely repulsive, and the opposite of what I look for in an MMO, namely the investment and the value it gives to the gaming experience.

Pwahahaha who wants to pay a battle pass to activate offline boting? Paying for not playing is great : the inovation of the century

In short, fully supports the AoC project, take the time I trust in your passionate approach!

Edit : My original title / post was definitely uninspired and toxic. On a better day today, I prefer to avoid that;)

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Noaani

NiKr wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

I'm not saying Ashes should change to acclimate these players - I feel I've been ear for years that the game needs to stick to what it claimed to be. What I am saying is that what it is trying to be only appeal to a very small segment of the MMO player base - a fact I thought we all understood.

Yeah, that is what I expect, but I do think that there's enough people in the middle of the spectrum that are just waiting for a good game to come out that is placed in that middle.

Enough for the game to survive, sure.

Not enough for the game to thrive.

Raven016

NiKr wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

I'm not saying Ashes should change to acclimate these players - I feel I've been ear for years that the game needs to stick to what it claimed to be. What I am saying is that what it is trying to be only appeal to a very small segment of the MMO player base - a fact I thought we all understood.

Yeah, that is what I expect, but I do think that there's enough people in the middle of the spectrum that are just waiting for a good game to come out that is placed in that middle. So far we either have pve games with arena-like locations for pvp or full-on murderhobo games with unpunished PKing.

If anything, popularity of Albion kinda hints at me being at least somewhat correct. It's obviously closer to the pve side of the spectrum cause it has non-pvp locations (iirc?), but I think that pvp locations also relate to economy, so it's somewhat similar to Ashes in that respect.

And Albion is obviously niche in its style (well, when compared to other mmos, that is), so we'll have to see if Ashes can appeal to more people cause of its much more basic style.

I was going to ask
Did Albion had subscription model?
How many servers it had?
But I see searching the internet that population increased 2 y after release when they went free to play.
According to that article, while the number of players increased to more than 100k, the concurrent players was 8k. Maybe it was still increasing?

The fact that was closer to the pve side of the spectrum plays an important role.

People here on forum say PvX means you have to be ready to PvP anytime and you agree when you start the game.
That means some days many players will start another mmo. And might stay there longer, if that one offers PvP as well.

Ludullu

Raven016 wrote: »

People here on forum say PvX means you have to be ready to PvP anytime and you agree when you start the game.
That means some days many players will start another mmo. And might stay there longer, if that one offers PvP as well.

Yes, there will be people like that. And yes, they might be the majority. But there could still be enough people out there who'd play Ashes for exactly what it is. Which is why I'm trying my best to be as close to Steven's vision in my feedback as possible.

If he ultimately decides to make Ashes into, pretty much, TL with a much bigger pve-lean than what the current design would indicate - so be it, even if I would dislike that turn of events.

Raven016

Dygz wrote: »

NiKr wrote: »

Yeah, that is what I expect, but I do think that there's enough people in the middle of the spectrum that are just waiting for a good game to come out that is placed in that middle. So far we either have pve games with arena-like locations for pvp or full-on murderhobo games with unpunished PKing.
And Albion is obviously niche in its style (well, when compared to other mmos, that is), so we'll have to see if Ashes can appeal to more people cause of its much more basic style.

I think we can expect Ashes to hit it's audience - players who loved L2 and hate P2W.
People just waiting for a good game to come out will be playing other games.

The main problem is that there are a bunch of other MMORPGs now in development offering similar stuff that were not around when Ashes was due to launch before 2020.

Having a bunch of other MMORPGs now in development sounds good to me. The only problem I have right now is looking at the cool cosmetics and wondering if I should continue buying them. Especially freehold cosmetics.

Spif

TL's "combat adjustments" are still unknown, but what I saw in the preview was just bad. That said, I bet Amazon is going to pay off a bunch of streamers to build hype when the time comes and it will do all right.

I'm not worried about there being less PvP in it. Murder-time (night) was just a bad idea, as it left the PvE crowd unhappy at night, and the PvP-gankers unhappy during the day. As long as there are always multiple PvP world events going on in a level range that will work out for the most number of people.

Being able to avoid PvP through the entire game will likely come with a the note that you won't get to experience all of the content. Completionists beware. Any game that combines PvP and PvE needs to have good answers to these questions, every time people log in:

I want to PvP tonight, what's going on?
I want to relax and PvE tonight, what's going on?
(and a bunch more related to crafting, char improvement, etc)

These games also need to find ways to encourage the PvE'rs to try PvP and encourage the PvP'rs to try high end PvE. Both of these need to be setup so that the "newbies" don't get stomped immediately.

Barab

Dygz wrote: »

Amazon was not wrong about NW. NW is doing better than Shadowbane and Crowfall.

The $200 million+ budget New World with it's 15k player base is doing better than a point and click mmo released in 2003 and mmo that raised $1,766,204 via Kickstarter in 2015 ?

On a side note, I was an early tester in New World alpha. It was heading to a great place we felt till this wave of more theme park testers arrived. I knew change was coming when I saw testers saying they would never buy from amazon again if this game released as is. Too bad as it had good potential. Be interesting to see if New World stays supported as long as Shadowbane did (six years+).

RIP Play to Crush...so many great memories with friends and foes alike from Death Server at SB release.

Raven016

NiKr wrote: »

Raven016 wrote: »

People here on forum say PvX means you have to be ready to PvP anytime and you agree when you start the game.
That means some days many players will start another mmo. And might stay there longer, if that one offers PvP as well.

Yes, there will be people like that. And yes, they might be the majority. But there could still be enough people out there who'd play Ashes for exactly what it is. Which is why I'm trying my best to be as close to Steven's vision in my feedback as possible.

If he ultimately decides to make Ashes into, pretty much, TL with a much bigger pve-lean than what the current design would indicate - so be it, even if I would dislike that turn of events.

Difficult to see. Clouded the vision is.

Mag7spy

Years ago people would have said the same thing about Dark souls game is to niche and will never hit main stream. If the game is good and right things can connect anything can grow.

The issue is most games are meh, which is the root of the issue. With the right things, marketing, and AoC being a top tier game it has every chance to grow and change mmorpgs.

At this point it is as "easy" as simply just making a good game. There is less competition and people consume far more than ever.

Dygz

I think there will be "enough" gamers who love Ashes - if the devs can implement and release the current design.

Raven016

Dygz wrote: »

I think there will be "enough" gamers who love Ashes - if the devs can implement and release the current design.

servers don't need to be full...
and then everyone will have a freehold too, and be able to enjoy their cosmetic

Korvis

Heljy wrote: »

"Get out fast AoC or you’ll be overtaken by Throne & Liberty" I’ve seen this comment many times. now I’m sure these two games don’t have much to do with it.

TOL will end up just like BDO...It will surge in numbers in the beginning but eventually die off and keep a small player base that will be able to produce enough pay to win cash to support exactly what the game was intended to do in the first place

Dygz

Same for Ashes - except for the P2W.
And Ashes will mostly likely retain significantly fewer players than BDO.

Raven016

Dygz wrote: »

Same for Ashes - except for the P2W.
And Ashes will mostly likely retain significantly fewer players than BDO.

How many servers BDO has? And players / server?

Azherae

For those who track this:

I thought I'd mentioned it in this thread, but I expected that when TL got their 'your combat is bad' reaction, that they would 'pull some levers' and switch the game over to a more fluid 'split body' type of content with more similarities to Ashes.

I did not expect that they would also make some other changes such as removing the autohunting and improving the PvE specifically as well as changing the dungeon and skill flows.

I've said prior that TL only becomes competition for Ashes if the combat changes in one of the two games dramatically. This has now happened. I still don't think it will be proper competition, but at least it will be a nicer way to pass the time than previously expected for some, and a more fitting MMORPG home for some others.

Mag7spy

Changes look good, though still have to wait til next year to build the hype train back up for my guild.

Raven016

Mag7spy wrote: »

Changes look good, though still have to wait til next year to build the hype train back up for my guild.

But how is the hype for AoC in your guild?

Mag7spy

Raven016 wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Changes look good, though still have to wait til next year to build the hype train back up for my guild.

But how is the hype for AoC in your guild?

That is easy work lol, But game needs to be finished before we can play it. Good handful of us already have alpha 2, though not everyone is going to be buying that.

MybroViajero

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiaErJCI3Cg

Depraved

tl got better ngl
but aoc will be my main mmorpg anyways

akabear

It has improved a lot since its first reveal.

Not much to criticize about it now other than it is currently very much PTW and interested to see if their global release follows suit.

It has some great ideas that I hope inspire AOC

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